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  • glans [it/its]
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    16 hours ago

    I think there are people in very similar circumstance who label themselves broadly as trans masc but also lots who don't.

    Second Stone Butch Blues if you didn't already read that. Also coming to mind would be Ivan Coyote who is a great performer so youtube is recommended. I recall Hannah Gatsby mentioning a very similar experience in their ?second netflix special.

    In terms of non-famous people, I feel that we all know people like this in our lives. There are lots of cis women who are non-conformists to femininity in many ways. It's been deeply explored in sub-cultural spaces like by butch lesbians and radical feminsits, but also there are many heterosexual types who area doing their things without a lot of pomp.

    Caution is warranted because it is also a way of leading into really vile anti-trans stuff of people way over-extrapolating from their own experience. Don't get recruited into that. It's a great position from which to be a trans ally.

    It's why the term "gender diverse" is used instead of trans, because it casts a much wider net. It acknowledges that people are existing in infinite varieties without being prescriptive.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      13 hours ago

      I'll check out your reccomendations, thank you. I swear I have a copy of Stone Butch Blues on a hard drive somewhere.

      • glans [it/its]
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        8 hours ago

        I know people have different styles of reading, but I think it's a better read in paperback if you can scrounge up a library copy or something.

        ia of course has it https://archive.org/details/stonebutchbluesn0000fein in their login-required zone