I'm on season three of this show so far and I'm legit pissed at you guys. Why did no one tell me how great this show is! I've never watched star trek before but my whole life all I've ever heard is Kirk vs picard. I didn't even know there was a black man in charge of the ship running things.I haven't watched the of series or new generation but I'm gonna assume DS9 is way better than any other star trek series. benjamin Sisko is the best captain, and anyone who thinks different is a lib. Also the way they build on stuff is great. Like what the hell is going on with the dominion. They already seem way more advanced than anything the federation has. I have no idea how Sisko and company can beat them, it's really interesting. I had low expectations for a 90s show but damn it's hype as all hell. Like I said I'm only on season 3 but I can't wait to see how they deal with all the shit they got going on.

Edit: I just saw there's a star trek Sunday here but fuck it I'm inspired to post now. If you gotta remove this post I get it.

  • hahafuck [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    I think the conventional wisdom, although always disputed, is that TNG is the best place to start, TOS is too old, DS9 is the best overall, VOY is worth watching but weak, ENT is trash, and nothing else is canon

    • ProfessorAdonisCnut [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      A guide:

      TOS: Enlightened pluralism

      TNG: Utopian socialism

      DS9: Marxist critique of utopian socialism

      VOY: Social fascism

      ENT: Liberal neo-conservative triumphalism

      DIS: Doomer escapism

      PIC: Reactionary transhumanism

      LD: Partially automated gay luxury space communism

    • Dyno [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I agree pretty much 100%.
      I watched in the order TNG, VOY, DS9, ENT - which is the order I recommend to people (though ENT is optional) because:

      • with TNG you get the 'standard' ST experience; it sets the tone, & the setting and has good, fun characters and plot arcs and a variable gamut of filler episodes.
      • following with VOY, you don't get the whiplash of going from a spacefaring, every-week-a-new-escapade show to the suddenly stationary environment and more drama-heavy DS9, and you have the general goofy fun that comes with the delta quadrant. Plus, when you finish Voyager, you get to move on from the anticlimactic finale rather than have that be the lasting taste of ST in your mouth.
      • then moving onto DS9, you have the pièce de résistance - definitely a slow burn, and takes a little getting used to vis-a-vis transitioning from crews of adventuring explorers to the more mundane lives of a station crew/planetary ambassadors/spiritual emissaries etc., but ultimately has the best long-running plot arcs, arguably the best characters & development, and a satisfactory finale that you can close the book on.

      You can then also do what i did, which is watch the TNG films and despair, cry at the end of Nemesis, panic, watch ENT as a salve and ultimately be disappointed.
      It's not too bad - it definitely strays close to the edge of early-2000s tv cheese a number of times (decon. scenes can fuck off, p&ty), but it also feels rushed and a little bit not-star trekky. at the very least, it is definitely canon unlike anything put out thereafter.

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        The last season and a half of ENT is pretty good, ignoring the last episode.

        They were going to do the Romulan war too if they were not cancelled, and heavily base it on the awesome Diane Duane novels (Romulans felt emotions should be felt and channeled through social ritual instead of internally suppressed and emigrated from Vulcan in slower than light starships). Picard tried to rebase the Romulans on this too but went for the elf rather than the original Roman/Chinese aesthetic and fucked it up for everyone.

      • hahafuck [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        No it isn't. From the start the characters are light years more hateable than any other crew. The cast of 5 characters the show cares about, smaller than previous shows, features 2 who are unbearable, 2 barely tolerable, and one Phlox. Bacula is a lovable actor, but Archer is so short of Sisko or Picard or even Kirk, his obvious model. Maybe a minor gripe, but the ship is mostly male because space is apparently a man's game. Nevertheless awful romantic plots take up extraordinary amounts of energy. At one point Space 9/11 happens to Earth and "this time, it's personal." This causes camo troops to board the Enterprise, everyone sucks them off for how cool they are at being operators, and everyone on the ship gets pissed and xenobhobic. Immediately there is a torture justification scene. The whole ship goes genocidal for revenge.

        There are good moments in the show no doubt; Phlox asking trip to fuck his wife, the ferengi episode with Neelix, but overall it's pretty eye-bleedingly bad

        • MeatfuckerDidNothing [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          why won't you fuck my wife Trip? Is there something wrong with my wife? Are you calling my wife ugly Trip? Why won't you make love to my gorgeous wife?

          • hahafuck [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            Despite the weakness of the show overall, probably my top Star Trek moment

        • MaxOS [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Yeah, true. It's not at all comparable to DS9 and TNG. Would you say ENT is worse than the recent films or DISCO?

          • hahafuck [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            Nah it's 'better' than the Abrams films in the sense that it is truer to the Star Trek vibe. Not seen Disco but from what I hear it has the same problem, being a different breed of action sci-fi.

          • SerLava [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            I think they described the hierarchy pretty well in the first comment:

            ENT is trash, and nothing else is canon