Since my last three Roma effort posts have been heavy, I wanted to do an educational but lighthearted one for International Romani Day. This one is going to be a very basic opening to Roma culture, as I doubt many here know much about it.

DISCLAIMER: Roma may be all racially similar, but there are many ‘groups’ of Roma with rather unique cultures. This primarily focuses on my experiences within Balkan Roma groups and some more well known groups such as the Kalderash of Eastern Europe.

Anyways, backstory: Roma are a group that came from India originally and made its way through Central Asia, Middle East, North Africa, and sometimes East Africa, then Europe. We are everywhere, from America, to Europe, to Brazil, to Palestine, and even Japan and China. (And China is one of the very few countries who was very nice to those of us who went there in the 1900s).

Language:

Romani is a complex language. It stems from Hindi and has many similarities, but we have gathered many loan words throughout various countries. But I can hardly think of another language with such confusing grammar half the time. It also doesn’t help that there are like a hundred dialects. So, for example:

Gadze, Gadje, Guyshe, Godtra, Gaja, Gayja, Gosha.

All those are ways to spell the EXACT same word but in various dialects. So it’s obvious why the language can seem similar, but it’s not always easy to communicate with other dialects. It also is hardly ever taught in written form because so many of us are illiterate. Older generations are more and more often not teaching the younger generation how to speak it. It’s a dying language.

Religion:

There is no set religion for Roma. Some are Muslim, Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant. Even a few Jewish Roma exist. Islam is common in the Balkans and Protestant is very common in Northern/West Europe and America. A lot of Evangelicals specifically target Roma in North Europe actually to recruit.

In my experience, Roma are not THAT religious. Culture tends to always supersede religious rules or obligations for us. For example, almost everyone in my family who is Muslim drinks alcohol because that’s just the culture.

However, we practice many holidays. For example, many French Roma will go to Sara E Kali’s (A Romani saint) pilgrimage — submerging her statue into water. Many think of this is a tradition we brought from India as it resembles Durga Puja in Hinduism. Many Balkan Roma celebrate Ederlezi — Feast of Saint George.

As for witchcraft, well, it depends on the group. Some Roma do read fortune (via tarot cards, coffee fortunes, or tea leaves). I linked some articles about it here before.

Dancing/Singing:

Sometimes stereotypes are true, and the stereotype that Roma love to dance is true. We love to dance! We have various forms too. Kocek is very popular in Balkans, here is a more common dance among Eastern European Roma that some call shuffling, we invented Flamenco (NOT UP FOR DEBATE!), and here is a video discussing Roma dancing cultural traditions .

Djelem, Djelem is what some may say is our “anthem”. It’s a beautiful song. Esma Redzepova was a lovely, famous, and passionate singer. She recently passed away. She has a fantastic voice. Here is a more modern band, Mahala Rai Banda (I love their songs!). And here is a Romani rap group, Roma Sijam. And here is a new Roma girl group, Pretty Loud, who have been singing about Roma rights — especially for women. You should definitely support them.

Anyways, anytime you listen to Balkan music, it’s probably 99% inspired by us. European music would be nothing without us. We also brought the clarinet to Europe.

Clothing:

Another thing that will vary from country to country. Women tend to wear long skirts, married women tend to cover their hair, and hats are common among men. Our skirts can be very intricate , sometimes our attire resembles Indian lehengas, and we wear lots of gold jewelry even gold teeth.

Not sure what else to add, that's really a very basic start to it all. May do a part 2 sometime, but feel free to ask any questions if you have them.

  • furryanarchy [comrade/them,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Is there any good media that shows Romani culture in a way that isn't a caricature, and isn't meant to be educational? Like, I remember growing up seeing movies and tv shows showing jewish culture enough that I knew a lot of basic stuff about it without having to be explicitly taught about it.

    The only thing I remember ever seeing about Romani in general media is crystal ball fortune teller stuff and cartoon characters who steal things. I didn't even know they were an actual people that existed until I heard my european relatives complaining about them existing too close to other people.

    • rozako [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      I honestly can't think of any. Any Roma shows that actually show us in a kind of good light are still shows played by White actors lol, and are probably in a language you don't speak either. Tony Gatlif is a Roma director who has some good films. Most are more documentary-y like, but they're good, especially Korkoro.

  • thelastaxolotl [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Another great post @rozako :heart-sickle:

    hey do you know of any good documentaries about the history of the Romani? im really interested about it since you mention that they came from india

    • rozako [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Latcho Drom is probably the one you want to watch if you're interested in more history than modern day. It's done by a Roma director and writer. It's also just really cool in general, it's almost like a musical documentary.

  • MalarchoBidenism [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Great post as always @rozako :heart-sickle:

    I never knew the Romani invented Flamenco, that's really cool. On the topic of music I'd also like to share Django Reinhardt with anyone who might not know him. He was a Romani musician who pretty much invented and popularized the entire genre of gypsy jazz and was an amazing guitarist and improviser, all despite his partially disabled left hand.

    I don't know anything about his political views, but his bandmate and friend Stéphane Grappelli recorded a version of The Internationale so he might have been a comrade too.

    • rozako [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Plenty European Roma lean into anarchism/leftism, more than you'd expect, so that's probably likely!

  • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    Thank you for sharing your culture with us again, I loved this as much as your post on Romani magic and look forward to whatever goodness you post in the future.

    :ancom-heart:

    You're easily one of the greatest posters here, this place wouldn't be the same without you.

    • rozako [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      This means a lot to me, I really appreciate hearing that!! Glad to contribute to a positive environment <3

    • Barabas [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      The magic is something that was a surprise to me. I was a bit taken aback at having my mother in law bragging about her grandma cursing someone's cattle, I had just assumed it was a stereotype.

      • rozako [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        oh yes, cursing someone's CATTLE. Now that means serious business :owl-wink:

  • quartz242 [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Great post I would love to know about food, especially celebratory dishes!

    Thank you

    • rozako [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Ah damn I was going to include that as a part too but completely forgot!!!! Thanks for mentioning though, I'd love to make a mini post about that too sometime in the future!

    • rozako [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Hehe thank you, I always appreciate seeing you in the comments

  • congressbaseballfan [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Another (this ones tough I know, and I’m not that familiar...) question for you @rozako... how do Romani women get out of the trap of the misogynist customs? How do you do that without taking them out of the culture?

    • rozako [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Mmm... Honestly the true first step is dismantling antiziganism entirely, because at least for me, I don't feel comfortable truly publicly saying anything bad about Roma culture. I don't want to feed into racism or stereotypes. So getting rid of that fear is a good step.

      The next thing would ensure equality of Roma women. Roma women are one of the most trafficked groups in Europe, get sterilized without consent at hospitals, get their kids taken away from them for no reason by statecare. If we are in an abusive environment, why would we want to try to leave and get help? Is what out there going to be any better? It's not an easy question, nor do I think any of it will be answered unless antiziganism ceases to exist.

      • congressbaseballfan [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        That’s a good point. It just seems like there’s an impossible choice where whichever direction you go hurts Romani overall or women and lgbt Romani. Sigh

        • rozako [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          Insert something about how liberation can only come to liberated people... That makes no sense really, but it's about the Vibe of what I mean. You can't look at the intercommunity issues before solving the outerissues first, at least as outsiders to the culture in question. So it is our duty (well yall's, not mine) to focus on that. So people like me can focus on fixing the internal issues.

        • TheOldRazzleDazzle [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          This is the inherent dilemma of human rights advocacy within any minority group, no?

          The problem is that on a molar level the group will be typified by any acknowledgement of problems or efforts to improve social conditions within it -- " insert group here is well known for having issues of violence/lbgt persecution/crime and so on" -- when in reality these are problems with humans and culture which are generally true for a nation at large as well..

        • rozako [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          it stems from the word zigeuner which is genuinely a shitty word, but i don’t really mind either way. AntiRoma or AntiGypsy work too.

  • Wmill [he/him,use name]
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    3 years ago

    Super cool post. Thanks for showing so many cool resources. Keep watching that Flamenco vid and it's fire, soo good.

  • Pezevenk [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    My favorite Romani musician is Kostas Hatzis: https://youtu.be/mv91ZVfzn1I

    https://youtu.be/oosy8SVHoP4

    Both his music and lyrics are great, he writes a lot about injustice, poverty and antiwar. I saw him live a couple years ago. He's like a million years old now but he played for almost 4 hours without interruption. His granddaughter was also there singing with him which was great to see.

  • mrbigcheese [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Always appreciate your posts! I was friends with a lot of Roma when i was growing up in Romania, never understood why there was such virulent racism against them among the general population.

  • kingspooky [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    That's really neat, thank you for sharing this about your culture @rozako .
    Endless support for the Romani in your struggle against European xenophobia :heart-sickle:

  • Wojackhorseman2 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I used to work with some people who were Roma, self described themselves as “gypsys” I think cuz it was easier than explaining Roma every time. Anyway they were some of the friendliest warmest people I’ve ever met they would always give me food.

    I had another girl I worked with that was Jewish and she hated Roma ppl, I told her about them and she was like “make sure they don’t steal shit!” Smh

    • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      I'm half Jewish and that shit really pisses me off, how can I get them to apply “Never again" to the Palestinians if they won't apply it to the group of people who were literally in the fucking camps with us?

    • Barabas [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I used to work with some people who were Roma, self described themselves as “gypsys” I think cuz it was easier than explaining Roma every time.

      My partner's family are the same.

      Also, if you're speaking any European language, check up romani slang in it it is fairly common.

    • rozako [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Mm, it sucks hearing antiziganism from anyone, but always feels very cruel coming from Jewish people. The Holocaust -- you'd think -- would inspire some sense of solidarity. But often is not the case.

  • Pezevenk [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Oooh, also, I was actually recently researching it because I was trying to figure out why clarinette came to be used in Balkan folk. It did not come from Romani musicians, it was mostly introduced in the Balkans via marching bands. HOWEVER, after it was introduced, Romani musicians picked it up to replace older pipe instruments they were already using for their music and their music became extremely popular. Like 90% of famous traditional clarinette players in Greece are of romani ancestry. I recently heard one who was really good on TV, but I forgot his name, I'll try to find him.

    • rozako [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Ah interesting, interesting. In my defense, Roma are very self-centered people and will claim we brought anything good to Europe (clarinet, most dancing, violins, tarot). Some is true, some is less so ;brought it here but made it popular' lol. But it wouldn't surprise me if we were using instruments beforehand that were more Indian in nature and then switched to those.

      • Pezevenk [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        If you think Romani are self centered, you should see Greek people.

        Btw do you know any Greek? There's a really good interview by Hatzis (he even talks communism in that interview) that you might like but there's no subs.

        • rozako [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          I’m not great at Greek admittedly but I probably know enough to understand it! Send me the link when you get the chance please