Looking forward to some great insights from the Ayn Rand Institute

  • BeamBrain [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    If they really want to commit to being the Ayn Rand institute, they should use Ayn Rand's argument for why Native Americans didn't have the rights to their land

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      I “like” the text of that speech because it just nakedly shows how much a monster Rand was and the natural conclusion of her “philosophy”. Showed it to a Rand stan I know and she never responded to it.

      • keepcarrot [she/her]
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        8 months ago

        " [Native Americans] didn't have any rights to the land, and there was no reason for anyone to grant them rights which they had not conceived and were not using. What was it that they were fighting for, when they opposed white men on this continent? For their wish to continue a primitive existence, their 'right' to keep part of the earth untouched, unused and not even as property, but just keep everybody out so that you will live practically like an animal, or a few caves above it. Any white person who brings the element of civilization has the right to take over this continent." - Ayn Rand, West Point lecture 1974

        To be clear, Indigenous peoples did have property rights in their own legal codes and did work the land, so she's even wrong on the basics here, and even if they didn't would not justify genocide.

        • the_kid
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          8 months ago

          “The memorandum noted that the Arabs had done nothing for centuries to develop the land and thus had forfeited their rights to the Jews, who, with their skill, energy and resources, had already demonstrated their capacity for developing Palestine and making it prosper. Moreover, it was asserted that the Arabs of Palestine were not ready for self-government in view of widespread illiteracy and lack of education. German interests and aims in Palestine were defined as primarily economic in nature; the Jews, not the Arabs, were considered most capable of creating conditions in Palestine conducive to those interests and aims.”

          many such cases

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            8 months ago

            It wouldn't take much for techbros to come up with a sort of "eminent domain" for bazinga, where people could be evicted from their homes in the imperial core if some techbro promised to bring "skill, energy, and resources" to that location.

            • the_kid
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              8 months ago

              The Third Reich and the Palestine Question by Francis Nicosia. I think re: German support for Zionist settlement in the 1920s

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          8 months ago

          Whenever Gil Scott-Heron's "Whitey On The Moon" poem was posted on Youtube, there was a very good chance in the comments that some cryptofascist would declare that black people would "still be living in mud huts" if they hadn't received the blessing of enslavement and tied that to more recent history as a wailing terror that magical space futures will be denied if social justice isn't wiped out as a concept. mlk-yes porky-point

        • Mardoniush [she/her]
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          8 months ago

          Fuckhead couldn't even stay consistent; it was always a grift for her.

        • Barabas [he/him]
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          8 months ago

          I've seen plenty of takes that are just this from zionists the last couple of weeks. It is just the same shit over and over with settler colonialists.

        • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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          8 months ago

          is there any reading you'd recommend on pre-colonial conceptions of indigenous property rights? since grade school i was always lead to believe that native americans didn't have land ownership.

          • keepcarrot [she/her]
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            8 months ago

            Graeber likes talking about the topic, see both Debt: The First 5000 Years and The Dawn of Everything. I'm sure there's more indigenous sources.

            An opening point would be that "native american" is a very broad category. Many different cultures with different lifestyles and legal codes. Hierarchies and morals. They have effectively been homogenised (in the eyes of their colonisers) by their common oppression and conquest.

          • CptKrkIsClmbngThMntn [any]
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            8 months ago

            Maybe not 100% what you're looking for, but probably covering a lot of the same territory - check out Theft Is Property! by Robert Nichols.

        • CrushKillDestroySwag
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          8 months ago

          Even if they didn't, that argument would only hold up until the very first treaty signed between colonizers and indigenous peoples. 99% of the story of colonization isn't people showing up to uncontacted tribes, it's settlers breaking their agreements with contacted ones.

    • pisstoria [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      that's basically the same argument they made, yeah :/

  • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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    8 months ago

    Youtube has been pushing neo-nazi content like crazy lately. Non-customized/personalized front page is full of Ben Shaporo, Ayn Rand Institute, etc.

    Nazi website.

    • charly4994 [she/her, comrade/them]
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      8 months ago

      Been getting random trans hate videos/shorts every so often, gets a lot worse when I open a fresh container off my cultivated feeds. Inevitably also see Mr. Beast videos and part of my soul gets absorbed by his soulless smile.

    • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      astronaut-1

      I swear there was even an admission from someone at Youtube that their algorithm was biased towards that kind of content, but I can't find it now. Chuds really like to whine and play the victim even though expert-shapiro and jordan-eboy-peterson are among the people who've benefited massively.

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    Ayn Rand Institute

    The same monster that said millions of slaughtered First Nations peoples deserved to be slaughtered because they didn't "own" the land in a proper way to begin with? us-foreign-policy

    • VILenin [he/him]M
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      8 months ago

      Being a libertarian is just dressing up your support for white supremacy in fancy language

    • toomanyjoints69@lemmygrad.ml
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      8 months ago

      How can an objectivist support the state forcibly moving people off the land people are entitled to, and worked for with the sweat of their brow?

      Ive always really hated libertarians, and double these people, because the libertarians i know would hate it.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        8 months ago

        How can an objectivist support the state forcibly moving people off the land people are entitled to, and worked for with the sweat of their brow?

        Even their founding monster said that forcibly moving people off the land and doing atrocities to them was cool and good because they weren't using the land correctly and there was some veiled cryptofascist bits about mud huts there too. us-foreign-policy

        • toomanyjoints69@lemmygrad.ml
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          8 months ago

          I think that Ayn Rand didnt genuinely believe in her own ideas. So i view objectivists as either scammers or the victims of a scam. Its not like liberals where its wrong instead of being a scam.

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            8 months ago

            I don't think she thought her own ideas out thoroughly enough to actually acknowledge contradictions in them. She was mad about her faildaughter estate being taken away by the Bolsheviks and was fascinated by Hollywood glamour and everything else was "ME ME ME MINE MINE MINE" justified after the fact.

            • toomanyjoints69@lemmygrad.ml
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              8 months ago

              Idk how anyone can think history is determined by great individuals when evsn the moat impactful individuals like Alexander the Great wouldnt have existed if the price of lumber collapsed in his fathers reign.

              • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                8 months ago

                It feeds selfish assholes' sense of self importance. The messaging, the propaganda, is everywhere for Great Man Theory.

  • iByteABit [comrade/them]
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    8 months ago

    I'm curious what deluded bullshit this will be hoping to attract completely uneducated people, but I know I'll get pissed off so I'll stay away

    • M137@lemm.ee
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      8 months ago

      "I know I'll get pissed off, so I'll stay away."

      That is a daily experience for me, I'm already pissed off enough about many things to a point where it's negatively affecting my mental health and life in general. I keep ignoring articles, videos, discussions, etc. that are both relevant and interesting to me, but I know I'll just be angry at the end, so I ignore them or save them to read/watch later when I feel I can handle it. But things are being added to that list faster than I have moments and mental energy to go through them all, even when I consciously don't save many of them.

      • MerryChristmas [any]
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        8 months ago

        They aren't that important and if they are you'll go through the effort to track them down again. Just a tip from a fellow digital hoarder!

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    Weird because a looong time ago when I was a libertarian nerd I was still pro-Palestine. Like, it’s a pretty straightforward thing even from a libertarian perspective.

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      8 months ago

      that's the contradiction of american right-libertarianism. young internet people get into it because they're disillusioned with party politics and want an alternative, and they don't realize that literally all its institutions and major figures are vestigial growths of movement conservatism.

  • jaeme
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    8 months ago

    They had to put DEBUNKED in bold red letters on the thumnail or else their viewers would plainly see Palestinian land being stripped away with each conflict.

    Barely cohesive propaganda.

  • Rojo27 [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    Much like Gazan hospitals exploding, Israeli territorial expansion just happens spontaneously. Just because Palestinian land happens to contract at the same does not mean Israel is stealing land.

  • Dolores [love/loves]
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    8 months ago

    the only thing stalin did wrong was give ayn rand an education kind-vladimir-ilyich

    • Barabas [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      He was also part in creating the zionist entity.

      • Catradora_Stalinism [she/her, comrade/them]
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        8 months ago

        it was gromyko that spearheaded the very temporary pro israel position, Stalin did not. The Pan-arab movement at that time was also being subverted by the british (until Nazzer created an actual pan-arab ideology). It was bad, but soviets fully and absolutely denounced zionism soon after the Nabka. Stalin was anti-zionist his whole life, but this part is where the politburo overruled him. Although he could have pushed harder against it.

  • muirc [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    We'll do the de-boonking around here. brace-dark-cowboy

  • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    I saw it in my reccomendeds a while back and didn't click it. It went to several million views within a few days.