(I swear didn't watch it I just scrubbed through it please don't take me to the gulag)
EDIT: Link, in case you have an hour and forty minutes and hate yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7aWz8q_IM4
i'm not watching this and I don't care one bit about lindsay ellis, but you have to be an extremely bad faith actor imo to view her tweet as racist. Anyways this is proving once more you should never apologize for drama that twitter stirs up because it never offers anything of value. Also delete twitter because it's a garbage website.
Honestly, I'd even go as far to say she hasn't been canceled at all. This video got 400k views in 4 hours, she clearly still has a platform - it's not like canceling has denied her access to making thinkpieces on youtube and I'm pretty sure she still has a NYT bestselling book and tons of patreon supporters. IMO complaining about "cancel culture" when you can still influence hundreds of thousands of people with a click is just a waste of time.
cancelling really only works on normal people who get popular/infamous only, or at least mostly, bc of a controversy. Someone who requires wage labor that they may be denied to bc a company may opt on the safe side of just not hiring them and risking blow back. Someone who already is at least in some way in control of their own income with patreon and book sales and stuff like that is most likely immune to this kind of stuff. (obviously there are extenuating circumstances this just seems to be the case most of the time.)
Right, in the context of these influencers the only true canceling is the loss of their platform on the major social media and fundraising sites, which has only happened in a handful of cases (Milo, Alex Jones off the top of my head).
yea I'm pretty goddamn online but not enough to speak too definitely of it, I'd like to think no one is bc the internet has to many pocket communities, but a lot of the time it seems quite a lot of people tend to double down on defending the creator. Especially if they're not leftists. Certain left groups absolutely will drop someone like a hot potato but outside of that it seems to me that the trend is people pushing back, too much in some cases, against the idea of cancel culture by being extremely vocal in their support of the creator.
I feel like we kinda saw this with Vinny Vinesauce recently. I don't really have an opinion on this either way and it does seem like some of the evidence may be sus but honestly it seemed like nearly everyone I saw was immediately like "nope fuck that fake! fake!" as an instant reaction. like right or wrong, i don't think vinny is gonna lose any money over it I guess is my point
I think by "cancelled" she means the shitload of abuse (including trying to find where she lives, they go as far as the city she lives in) she got to the point that she was trending at #2 for like 2-3 days straight.
I saw a video of some leftist "philosopher" guy try really hard to interpret her comments as applying to all asian media and they were so pretentious about it.
Honestly what she is describing sounds like an actual problem. If you think her videos suck or whatever then that's fair, but she's describing people making shit up about her, contacting anyone who employs her to try and get her fired, trying to isolate her and also fire anyone who associates with her. Like this is some psycho cult shit.
The "you're next" comments were genuinely scary.
They're just waiting for these content creators to slip up once (or perceived to have slipped up) and they go into a feeding frenzy.
There's no justice here. It's just extremely online people picking a victim and going over everything they've ever said in order to "cancel" them.
It's like a parasocial relationship where, instead of a friendship, you've somehow envisioned an ongoing rivalry where you're trying to take down a horrid monster who's been getting away with awful shit for years.
The fact that they want to take down Jenny Nicholson who very closely curates what she says and holds her private life very private (Kiwi Farms can't find shit about her that's how thorough she is) for fake tweets was pretty telling of these people's mental state.
I remember a tweet of Jenny's a while back that had a picture of her car for whatever reason. The windows looked super weird and it took me a while to realize that she had put of filter over them AND the reflections on the car because people like the KF assholes would be deranged enough to use those reflections to find that location. I can't even imagine having to be that careful.
She's right to do that, the general vibe of the Kiwi Farms is deeply unsettling and obsessive behaviors by people who are genuinely living examples of a hate-based parasocial relationship.
Honestly, I don't think they deplore it, and they aren't really suckered in.
The owner of the website very explicitly recruits communities that are exiled or lose platforming. We're talking TERFs, Cosplayer hater communities, 8chan, Fatpeoplehate, etc. Its specifically advertised as a place to laugh at people and for some sociopaths thats desirable because I would say most if not all the people there really really aren't doing too good in life.
The Contrapoints video "Cringe" honestly did summarize the culture there very well with her "Christorian" segment because the Kiwi Farms before being called the Kiwi Farms were the Cwcki Forums which renamed itself after the forum's scope expanded beyond Christine Chandler .
I will never understand why I see some left spaces be perfectly okay with this kinda stuff. With how little it take before people try to get you fired from your job it means the only online figures that will remain standing are those who don't require employment to live which is already too many online figures. Its basically a tactic that only works on working class and marginalised people
Because it's a "victory". And leftists are desperately looking for a victory.
We can use our collective power to... harass someone off of Twitter. That's basically Communism.
Some movies this video is longer than:
-Pickpocket
-Before Sunset
-Rope
-Primer
-Toy Story
-Ghost in the Shell
-The Killing
-Blackfish
-Borat
-Pi
-Black Dynamite
-Fruitvale Station
-Run Lola Run
-High Noon
-The Evil Dead
-Spinal Tap
-What We Do In the Shadows
-The Nightmare Before Christmas
-My Neighbor Totoro
-Paranormal Activity
-Child's Play
-City Lights
-Breathless
-Airplane!
-The Wicker Man
-Crank
-Rashomon
-Stand By Me
-Eraserhead
-The Lion King
She regularly makes long videos
This appears to be a video of her talking. Pretend it is a podcast and now 1 hour 40 mins is a perfectly reasonable amount of time
Can confirm that the video itself does not contribute to the content.
I fucking love that the new defense against the real abuse she got online (mind you after being a survivor of gamergate targeted harassment) is now
"I don't want to watch a two hour video"
Then shut the fuck up then? Like what do you have to say of interest if you literally know jackshit about what happened?
My bf keeps sending me Well There's Your Problem vids and they're about that long
The longer they are, the less I have to alt-tab between games and browser to switch.
one of the most popular podcasts out right now is 3 hours long thrice a week
Why? How? Do people sit and listen to these? I dont know how I would even approach listening to that.
Most podcasts are not that long. Today's Game Informer Show podcast is 2h 38m
I listen to a podcast that, these days, regularly rolls into the 4 hour mark, wassup?
"lmao she made a whole ass video about it"
yeah, that's what she does for a living
No she definitely used to make videos that had some value
thinking there might be something behind the pattern of people becoming really self important after thousands of people imbue their most innocuous statements with the individual power to generate oppressive hierarchies
I mean, you could make that point for this whole com, but ok, go off
Yea like I'm really confused when people make this argument. This is the DUNK TANK. It's supposed to be dunking on irrelevant people by irrelevant people. What else would you do in this com?
post photos of actual carnival dunk tanks and discuss the finer points of their design
The only thing I think is funny are all the people going " this is a classic example of the left eating itself." As if lindsay ellis has ever been anywhere near the left. Like liberals really think they're left. Why? Cause you like bernie or want healthcare for all. It's just dumb
Didn't Ellis literally get in a twitter fight with Shaun, like fuck she cant even stand the left part of the breadtube core.
PLEASE DO NOT CRITICIZE BIDEN ON TWITTER, SHAUN
YOU RISK EVERYTHING WITH YOUR SARDONIC TWEETS
The dumbest drama, and of course she spends her time responding to it. Any reasonable person would just think "oh yeah, the movie made by a company that poached Avatar employees made something inspired by Avatar" and ignore it.
Like she makes good content sometimes but she's so terminally online that there's no way she'll keep regularly making it.
I mean in this case it is dumb drama especially about her, so if anyone could reply to it, it is she herself.
Honestly she’d be dumb not to spin it into content (from the perspective of her capitalizing of it), I’m sure this video wrote itself. It already has half a million views
Was what she said racist ?
Like , loads of people had made the same comparison
Extremely online Twitter people taking the worst possible interpretation of something and demanding you apologise for saying something you didn't say.
Yeah, no.
And "made by Asian people" is a bit of a stretch when at most the screenplay was done by them. Theres likes 7 story writers attached and it was directed by a Mexican and a white guy. Seriously, go actually look at who made this.
It's good, of course, that Asian people actually get some representation in these movies but this is still a corporate Disney product at the end of the day. It's good it's not just white guys making these movies using these cultures they don't really understand but framing it that way feels disingenuous.
And it wasn't a point at the look or the cultures but more the very obvious use of the "there are X people and now the world is bad and they aren't at peace any more and only this one person/dragon can unite them".
Unless you think her point was her being like "uhh, Asian people again? I've seen this before with Avatar".
Also, let's not forget that this drama appears to have started with the recent uptick in anti-Asian (particularly sinophobic) violence. Reacting to that by going after a lib for tweets instead of the US government manufacturing support for war in Asia seems like a poor use of time.
Oh no, did someone "attack" the corporate product where less than half of the producers, no directors and 1 voice actor were asian? Oh no.
The video has her quote Raya's screenwriter & numerous sources around the film who say they know their film will be compared to ATLA and don't mind the comparison.
I mean, making two hour videos is how she makes money. This one will probably get more views than the rest. People love drama.
Also watched Raya and the Last Dragon and I think we need to come up with a name for this genre that is basically Avatar: the Last Airbender reduxes. It’s like half of all YA fantasy published in the last few years anyway
"This thing is thematically like this thing"
is totally, 100% equals to
"This thing is thematically like this thing because it takes place in Asian themed world"
By extension, Twitter contorts it into:
"I see Asian people in one piece of media and in another piece of media, which means that those things are equal. As a cultural critic that focuses on media criticism, I see similarities only based on race and on nothing else. Raya and Avatar are the same because they contain Asian people."
Which is absurd
You know what, I take my words back. Fuck all this performative dunking without even seeing the video. I became a leftist because I try to empathise with people, not this "Ha ha, she's dumb because she made a video about getting death threats!" bullshit. I'll gladly dunk with you all on chuds and libs for their bad opinions, but I won't laugh at someone being vulnerable and actually owning up to her mistakes.
These big youtubers make fucking ridiculous amounts of money too. Why waste your time being sad for rich people.
Dipshit take. How much good does "logging off" do if internet trolls call your job trying to get you fired or send a SWAT team to your house?
They were literally trying to find where she lives and contacting her friends and employers even after she logged off
It's a pretty good video, at least if you like her channel and want to make sure that she is ok. (I don't care if she is a lib, harassing people is bad, specially if it's due to dumb reasons and said person had already been harassed in the past).
Libs that actually examine exploitative labor practices are okay in my book
