over 100 years of socdem Reformism and there is still no socialist socdem state :thinkin-lenin:

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  • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Either type of party is capable of serving as an incubator for more a more radical party. The Bolsheviks (Majority) and Mensheviks (Minority) were opposition wings of the Russian SDP.

    • Gkalaitza [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      the SDP was already significantly to the left to any socdem/demsoc party in existance in the last half century, and it already had revolutionary communist dominant wings from the very begining. It wasnt some socdem party that was taken over by entryism or incremental "incubation" of radical wings

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        It was during the first international, but after Kautsky and the second international took over when the socialist bans were lifted, the party took a much more moderate stance in a lot of places.

        There was still a lot of radical communists inside the orgs, but the orgs themselves were already on the path to reformism before the first world war.

        • Mardoniush [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          Yes, but even the milquetoast fabian dominated British Labour Party in, say 1925 was a hell of a lot more left than any modern SocDem party since they were made toothless in the 80s