over 100 years of socdem Reformism and there is still no socialist socdem state :thinkin-lenin:
Black fist fights Republicans. Brown fist fights Nazis. White fist fights communists...
hmmm
I saw libs arguing that the Russian Empire was better than USSR.
I have also seen this. The dumbest take I've ever seen from otherwise smart people.
Most Russian chuds go with "the Russian Empire would have developed faster and with less repression" take, so it's remarkable when American libs have more stupid takes than literal monarchists and reactionaries.
The Tsarists were only one part of the White movement. In reality, it was just a coalition of anyone broadly right of the Bolsheviks, ranging from "DemSocs" (Mensheviks and left SRs) and SuccDems to Monarchists and Pogrom-waging Reactionaries/Protofascists. Should come at no surprise SuccDems would rather throw in their lot with fascists than Communists.
Imagine looking at the legacy of the New Deal, the attempts at milquetoast reforms of the Kennedy/Clinton/Obama Presidencies, the reaction to the Sanders campaign, the response to a $15 minimum wage, and going "Yeah I can fix her."
she dont run too good, and that whole underbelly is rusted out, aint got no floors no more... the seats are a bit melted and have metal spokes sticking through but thems for keeping you awake, so thats a feature really. the windshields missing and the wipers wont stop spraying fluid, even though we havent put fluid in there for years, no idea what thats about. spits out more exhaust than anything by about five times, and if you ever need to stop youre shit out of luck cause there aint no brakes.
but you sure can fit a whole lot of systemic oppression in there! slaps roof of :amerikkka:
The New Deal massively overhauled the American economy and produced a sharp reversal in quality of life that lasted generations.
The Great Society stamped out elder poverty and misery on a national scale, dramatically improved public education, and invigorated the WASP middle class as it was faltering in the wake of the 1950s. Similarly, the Civil Rights agenda transformed race relations at the petite bourgeois level.
The EPA put an end to leaded paint and gasoline, saving countless lives and cutting the "crime wave" off at the knees before the US ripped itself apart.
Without these reforms, the US would have collapsed decades ago.
Our increasingly paralyzed and polarized administration is undoing two generations of accumulated prosperity. The US absolutely can be "fixed". It can be transformed in a dozen different ways, depending on the right combination of conditions and successful movements. Don't undersell the impact prior generations of policy have had on this country. These decisions - or the absence of them - will have real and profound consequences for ourselves later in life and for our progeny.
Without these reforms, the US would have collapsed decades ago.
:haram: :gulag: :amerikkka:
And maybe the entire world (especially the global south) wouldn't be completely fucked if the US had fallen back then?
Maybe the USSR would still exist?
FDR literally said The New Deal was meant to save capitalism.
Not to mention there are real arguments to be made that all of the policies you point to were ultimately only made because of pressure from the USSR existing and revealing what the alternative could be, forcing the ruling class into concessions to avoid a full revolution.
And maybe the entire world (especially the global south) wouldn’t be completely fucked if the US had fallen back then?
Maybe. Or maybe it would be a different kind of fucked. The settler colonialism of the western hemisphere is not somehow uniquely rooted in DC. It isn't even unique to the west, as Japan proved.
FDR literally said The New Deal was meant to save capitalism.
FDR said a lot of things. But the New Deal saved America from itself and positioned it as the only unmolested industrial economy to survive WW2. The country would not be what it is today without these policies.
Not to mention there are real arguments to be made that all of the policies you point to were ultimately only made because of pressure from the USSR existing
The USSR was not the singular source of leftist thought on the planet. And while it was routinely used as a pretext for implementing policies (Sputnik driving the formation of NASA, for instance) the industrialization of education, housing, health care, science, and medicine predates the October Revolution by generations. The New Deal, the Great Society, and the EPA all had their roots in programs implemented in states and municipalities - many founded through domestic leftist theory and action - and were popular before they were national.
What would have happened to a United States that did not fear the spectre of Leninism? A country absent Palmer Raids and the 20s-era Red Scare? A country that never rushed into WW1 following the collapse of the Russian Eastern Front or went to war with Japan in defense of the KMT? It's impossible to say. But "we never would have taught high school physics in the 70s" seems like a stretch to conclude.
“we never would have taught high school physics in the 70s”
Good thing that's not what I said.
I don't know why you're framing the US emerging from WW2 as "the only unmolested industrial economy" as a positive thing on a leftist forum.
I also don't understand why you think any of the points you're making equate to the ability for reform in 2021.
:yes-honey-left: healthcare please
P.S. :amerikkka: :amerikkka:
The country would not be what it is today without these policies.
So?
My point is not that reform is impossible, it's incredibly to difficult to pass and in the cases which it does, it's achievements are rolled back. I'm not "underselling" them by stating the simple fact that these institutions have either been completely neutered if not put on life support.
it’s incredibly to difficult to pass and in the cases which it does, it’s achievements are rolled back
With power increasingly concentrated in a handful of political actors, reforms have rarely been so easy to implement.
It just happens that the intensions of current leadership is bad, so the policy we get sucks.
these institutions have either been completely neutered if not put on life support
Social Security and Medicare are as robust as they've ever been. Not coincidentally, they're zealously guarded by seniors.
With power increasingly concentrated in a handful of political actors, reforms have rarely been so easy to implement. It just happens that the intensions of current leadership is bad, so the policy we get sucks.
"Just so happens" lol. So again, incredibly hard to pass.
Social Security and Medicare are as robust as they’ve ever been.
:agony-consuming:
Similarly, the Civil Rights agenda transformed race relations at the petite bourgeois level.
What do you mean? That black members of the petite bourgeois are no longer isolated materially from their white counterparts?
"republicanism" is also the wrong word here, but that's the least of the problems with this shit
yep, it sound like they are monarchists instead of social fascists
The person who came up with the idea of putting the hammer and sickle into the UN laurel wreath deserves to be gender revealed.
It's a lazy attempt of recreating communist symbolism without having to do any artistic work or understanding the symbols. Just do the god damn hammer and sickle on their own without all that other nonsense.
R/leftistvexiology is a treasure trove of dipshits defending the three arrows and legit trying to say the KPD had no role in antifa. Embrace tradition folks, reject socdem symbols
It's so funny that all the circlejerk subs turned leftist after the chapo ban
Is there an r/circlejerkcirclejerk for all the people from various subs to talk about their circlejerks?
tbf I remember this site or og chapo defended the three arrows too
its truly the worst, one half are social imperialist selling their ideas as socialism and the other half are proud rosa killers
I don't understand what the sock means. I can't keep track of weird Twitter symbols.
They think their "therefore, we should sit in our armchairs and spend all our time shitting on AES and local Left movements rather than attack the ruling class" takes are "spicy"
Noooo I never noticed Joey got banned.
I liked Joey. He didn't deserve that.
EDIT: I mean, he might've deserved it. I don't know what he was banned for or any of his deleted shit so.
Socdems aren’t socialist? The Nordic style of Capitalism is a socal democracy.
Demsoc = socialism
Socdem = capitalism but nicer uwu
Either type of party is capable of serving as an incubator for more a more radical party. The Bolsheviks (Majority) and Mensheviks (Minority) were opposition wings of the Russian SDP.
the SDP was already significantly to the left to any socdem/demsoc party in existance in the last half century, and it already had revolutionary communist dominant wings from the very begining. It wasnt some socdem party that was taken over by entryism or incremental "incubation" of radical wings
It was during the first international, but after Kautsky and the second international took over when the socialist bans were lifted, the party took a much more moderate stance in a lot of places.
There was still a lot of radical communists inside the orgs, but the orgs themselves were already on the path to reformism before the first world war.
Yes, but even the milquetoast fabian dominated British Labour Party in, say 1925 was a hell of a lot more left than any modern SocDem party since they were made toothless in the 80s
