Why is the Pro Act, whose passage is contingent on unlikely filibuster reform, considered a more "grown up," real wold, achievable goal than withholding COVID bill votes for the $15 min wage? Or FTV? We discuss on the latest @BadFaithPod https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1385272505993154560

Because one has the entirety of organized American labor behind it and the other was an idea someone had on a podcast.

Yeah, that’s the problem, genius... someone on a podcast shouldn’t be coming up with these ideas, because they’re extremely simple and easy to figure out.

Pressuring politicians to force them to do what their supporters/constituents want is not really that complicated.

https://twitter.com/Left_Blacksmith/status/1385937077598965762

another post in conversation under that anti-FTV/anti-podcaster (!) guy's feed:

why is the symbolic vote on the PRO-act that does nothing and won't become law so superior to a symbolic vote on M4A that does nothing and won't become law?

Because unions are an important institution in the labor aristocrat wing of capitalism. Who else is going to send newsletters to worker telling them to vote for the Democratic candidate? The CFL-AIO are literally agents of CIA imperialism, these Liz Warren voting radlibs who are pushing this program are just maintaining their hegemony with this virtue signalling capitalist reform bullshit.

  • 1111br2222 [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    I feel like her first post there is kinda gesturing around the real issue as not to offend people. The Pro Act is essentially Biden policy that the left is able to attach itself to as the subservient partner. FTV was in direct opposition to the party and needed the left to display a level autonomy it doesn't seem capable of so far.

      • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        It's called "Force the Vote" - the idea that the Squad should ask Nancy Pelosi to hold a floor vote in the House on Medicare for All. Basically Jimmy Dore has decided that if the Squad doesn't beg Nancy Pelosi for a floor vote on Medicare for All they're all deep state sellouts or whatever and two or three left podcasters started repeating it because controversy gets clicks. It's three podcasters using Medicare for All as a cudgel against the left. Honestly don't waste your time with FTV shit it's a dumb online argument.

        • hahafuck [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          Agreed that FTV is a dumb online argument, but you are on the wrong side of it, are pretty crucially misrepresenting it, and are mischaracterizing Grey as some obscure leftist podcaster rather than the most prominent non-Bernie member of the Sanders campaign

          • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            The Sanders campaign effectively died like over a year ago and so all she is now is exactly that, an obscure leftist podcast (note: all leftist podcasts are obscure).

          • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            I never called her obscure. I know who she is, it was her writing that got me to subscribe to Current Affairs and she was great on Hear the Bern. She was one of the best voices on the left before getting into the FTV grift.

            • Nounverb [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              if the FTV thing is a grift, pretty much everyone is grifting and there's no point in discussing anything. Is AOC not grifting by calling Biden her friend and saying the admin is working in good faith?

              I don't actually need answers to these questions I already know what I believe. Just putting it out there.

              • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                "Is AOC not grifting by calling Biden her friend and saying the admin is working in good faith?" - how is that relevant to this discussion or FTV? I have no problem with calling AOC out for saying that. She was wrong to say it and I wish she was harsher on the Biden administration than she is. Good faith left criticism of AOC and the elected left is necessary and should be elevated.

                I call FTV a grift because the FTV people don't organize, have no problem allying with reactionaries against the elected left, and these podcasters literally make more money punching left than the congresspeople they criticize do. I have no problem holding elected leftists accountable for their mistakes. I just wish we also held our left media figures accountable for theirs, too.

            • hahafuck [they/them]
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              3 years ago

              I think calling someone a leftist podcaster implies they are obscure but alright, if you used to like her work I encourage you to pay more careful attention to her explanations of FTV, she is very convincing on the matter

              • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                I think we might agree to disagree here. I have read her Current Affairs piece and listened to her talk FTV on Bad Faith and I find her arguments extrmely unconvincing.