The USSR treated LGBT persons abhorrently. Period.
I don't think anybody believe that a future socialist state should be a carbon copy of the AES states of the 20th century. Things like LGBT rights is something I feel there is a broad consensus on the left about doing much better in a future socialist state.
If I am to defend the AES countries a little you have to see them in their historic context. Compared to what we today would consider acceptable standards of LGBT rights the AES countries had an abysmal record but if you compare them to capitalist nations in the same time period things are more nuanced. For instance east Germany were more advanced on LGBT rights than west Germany.
You can also say that the nationalism, homophobia and transphobia in Russia today was only made worse by the regression to capitalism. Ditching the material safety afforded during Soviet times gave rise to fear, anger and competition that was channeled into hate towards LGBT people and foreigners.
Analyzing states that got started in the turn of the last century and finding out they didnt live up to a modern standard is a bit harsh. Most places now don't live up to a modern standard.
If I am to defend the AES countries a little you have to see them in their historic context.
Definitely. WIth that, people in these discussions do tend to overfocus on East Germany or the western part of the USSR, simply cause these were the big visible spaces. And in general Eastern Germany was materially better and more developed.
You can also say that the nationalism, homophobia and transphobia in Russia today was only made worse by the regression to capitalism
Eeeh.... yes and no. The nationalism definitely, because there were major developments in conspipracy theories and their spread after the fall of the socialist regimes. At the same time, there was definitely a strong nationalistic streak even before that, well embedded in the educational institutions. And homophobia and transphobia I think have not changed or have even slightly improved. But hatred towards foreigners would depend - i.e. in South East Europe hatred towards muslims (turks) was a major part of educational propaganda, since they were a major threat at the time. Similar with Greeks.
To my understanding the period from 1992 to now has seen an advance in LGBT rights and social acceptance of LGBT people across industrialised nations. There are notable exceptions, but in broad terms things are better now than back then. This means that Russia is falling behind by stagnating.
Current Russian nationalism and homophobia is certainly a continuation of that of the Soviet Union. A future socialist state needs to be less culturally regressive. The revolution should not just be an economic one but also a social.
Depends on where really. Things were kinda improving after the fall of the regimes, but in recent years have taken a turn for the worse. I would argue in the last couple of years the situation may have reversed to a point where things are much worse than before, because these issues have become a lot more visibile and discussed, and there has been a much stronger reaction.
The USSR treated LGBT persons abhorrently. Period.
I don't think anybody believe that a future socialist state should be a carbon copy of the AES states of the 20th century. Things like LGBT rights is something I feel there is a broad consensus on the left about doing much better in a future socialist state.
If I am to defend the AES countries a little you have to see them in their historic context. Compared to what we today would consider acceptable standards of LGBT rights the AES countries had an abysmal record but if you compare them to capitalist nations in the same time period things are more nuanced. For instance east Germany were more advanced on LGBT rights than west Germany.
You can also say that the nationalism, homophobia and transphobia in Russia today was only made worse by the regression to capitalism. Ditching the material safety afforded during Soviet times gave rise to fear, anger and competition that was channeled into hate towards LGBT people and foreigners.
yeah it's mad funny when people in the country that only got rid of sodomy laws in........ oops 2003 accuse other countries of homophobia
Analyzing states that got started in the turn of the last century and finding out they didnt live up to a modern standard is a bit harsh. Most places now don't live up to a modern standard.
Definitely. WIth that, people in these discussions do tend to overfocus on East Germany or the western part of the USSR, simply cause these were the big visible spaces. And in general Eastern Germany was materially better and more developed.
Eeeh.... yes and no. The nationalism definitely, because there were major developments in conspipracy theories and their spread after the fall of the socialist regimes. At the same time, there was definitely a strong nationalistic streak even before that, well embedded in the educational institutions. And homophobia and transphobia I think have not changed or have even slightly improved. But hatred towards foreigners would depend - i.e. in South East Europe hatred towards muslims (turks) was a major part of educational propaganda, since they were a major threat at the time. Similar with Greeks.
To my understanding the period from 1992 to now has seen an advance in LGBT rights and social acceptance of LGBT people across industrialised nations. There are notable exceptions, but in broad terms things are better now than back then. This means that Russia is falling behind by stagnating.
Current Russian nationalism and homophobia is certainly a continuation of that of the Soviet Union. A future socialist state needs to be less culturally regressive. The revolution should not just be an economic one but also a social.
My point exactly.
Depends on where really. Things were kinda improving after the fall of the regimes, but in recent years have taken a turn for the worse. I would argue in the last couple of years the situation may have reversed to a point where things are much worse than before, because these issues have become a lot more visibile and discussed, and there has been a much stronger reaction.