• LeninsRage [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Are there clowns on social media still relitigating this childish nonsense

    • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Briahna Joy Gray Retweeted Force The Vote @ForceTheVoteM4A · May 2 Had the squad done #Forcethevote the Dems would currently be boxed in between their rhetoric claiming to believe that healthcare is a human right vs their actions voting against the bill that would make it so. #Forcethevote was and continues to be the correct strategy.

      https://twitter.com/ForceTheVoteM4A/status/1388895857714417669

      Boomer copy/paste job here but y'all get the picture.

      • LeninsRage [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        When I pay the slightest attention to this shit I feel like Bryan Cranston in the "Jesse what the fuck are you talking about" meme

        • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          It was always much ado about very little and I think your reaction is the correct one, especially now that the opportunity has been past for months.

      • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        If Russiagate is QAnon for libs then Force The Vote is QAnon for comrades

        • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Agreed.

          the Dems would currently be boxed in between their rhetoric claiming to believe that healthcare is a human right vs their actions voting against the bill that would make it so

          Imagine thinking this would matter. We have that video---a video!---of Biden telling Ady Barkan that he'd waive vaccine patents, and yet, shockingly, Biden has not done so!

          • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            Imagine thinking this would matter.

            Imagine being a leftist and not believing that exacerbating the contradictions of capitalism trough struggle is a good thing.

            • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              That's a misreading of not only what I said, but also of what the effects of that vote will be. The contradictions are pretty dang exacerbated already! If you want to throw a sheet of paper onto a bonfire and say you've added heat, I won't stop you.

              • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                the effects of that vote will be

                The effect of the vote would be a creation of momentum, and a glimmer of hope which is needed to move broad layers of the population in to action.

                The contradictions are pretty dang exacerbated already!

                The objective conditions, yes, but we also need the subjective conditions. Socialists are in the business of changing the working class from a class-in-itself, to a class-for-itself, as Marx writes. Which means that the emmiseration of the working class won't automatically lead to the change we want, but that we need to organise them in to a conscious political actor.

                It's not to much to ask of elected socialists to play their part in that process.

                • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  elected socialists

                  There are none in the US congress. They're all socdems. Remember?

                  • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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                    3 years ago

                    If that's your perspective, why are we arguing? You should be fine with #forcethevote criticizing them.

                    • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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                      3 years ago

                      I simply think that many of the folks behind FTV are for whatever reason operating in bad faith, and so I criticize them for it.

                      • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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                        3 years ago

                        simply think that many of the folks behind FTV are for whatever reason operating in bad faith

                        Why?

                        And by the way, even if that's true (which I haven't seen an indication for personally), their critique is still correct. The squad refuses to use their leverage, refuses to take up a leadership role in the social struggle (which they have to do, given their position) and are in material effect no different than general democrats accept for the fact that their refusal to act is demoralising for the left.

                        • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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                          3 years ago

                          Because every time I hear them talk about this shit, the arguments are just bad and illogical.