Im not a financial person, I literally spent three hours today picking weeds from around carrots in a light drizzle.
Well... the first buyers, who would and could buy at any price will be huge investment firms and the super rich. Think about how Bill Gates owns tons of farm land. Since those entities are sitting on tons of liquidity to snap up those properties whose owners probably still own tons of money in debt. Not have income, they need to clear those debts quickly. Now they've eaten up lots of the surplus. Now the prices start to rise again.
I kinda think like gentrification but out in the woods.
So now they get to decide, "Sit on the property as is, pay the property taxes every year, do the book keeping voodoo that lets you reduce income reported with deductions while having an asset that can be borrowed against or used as collateral" or "do something with the land that can increase the lands value to produce passive income, harvesting the lumber, mineral extraction, renting out houses, commercial interests, etc."
I think you're underestimating the paradigm shift that worldwide veganism would bring. Land is only scarce because carnism uses and destroys so much of it, veganism only needs about a tenth of that and would also slow climate change down by a lot.
Veganism aside, we're still talking about living in a capitalist political/economic system right?
So, I've heard the "rain forests are being mowed down because of cows" arguments before. This seems to forget that the same people, businesses, governments that are allowing the rain forests to be turned into cow pastures will just mow down the rain forests to plant things. Doesn't matter what, so long as profits, tax revenue, kickbacks can be paid out I don't see veganism changing that.
(Also, the point of my first comment was less about shitting veganism, and more about giving an actual argument as to why farmers won't be that bad off if there is a large enough move to veganism that farmers not able/willing to move to crops or nature maintenance work aren't going to be destitute.)
Im not a financial person, I literally spent three hours today picking weeds from around carrots in a light drizzle.
Well... the first buyers, who would and could buy at any price will be huge investment firms and the super rich. Think about how Bill Gates owns tons of farm land. Since those entities are sitting on tons of liquidity to snap up those properties whose owners probably still own tons of money in debt. Not have income, they need to clear those debts quickly. Now they've eaten up lots of the surplus. Now the prices start to rise again.
I kinda think like gentrification but out in the woods.
So now they get to decide, "Sit on the property as is, pay the property taxes every year, do the book keeping voodoo that lets you reduce income reported with deductions while having an asset that can be borrowed against or used as collateral" or "do something with the land that can increase the lands value to produce passive income, harvesting the lumber, mineral extraction, renting out houses, commercial interests, etc."
I think you're underestimating the paradigm shift that worldwide veganism would bring. Land is only scarce because carnism uses and destroys so much of it, veganism only needs about a tenth of that and would also slow climate change down by a lot.
Veganism aside, we're still talking about living in a capitalist political/economic system right?
So, I've heard the "rain forests are being mowed down because of cows" arguments before. This seems to forget that the same people, businesses, governments that are allowing the rain forests to be turned into cow pastures will just mow down the rain forests to plant things. Doesn't matter what, so long as profits, tax revenue, kickbacks can be paid out I don't see veganism changing that.
(Also, the point of my first comment was less about shitting veganism, and more about giving an actual argument as to why farmers won't be that bad off if there is a large enough move to veganism that farmers not able/willing to move to crops or nature maintenance work aren't going to be destitute.)
I see your point, and you are right, veganism is not sufficient, but it is necessary
While I can't follow you all, all the way, I'll do what I can to help out those who don't make me wince.
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