We can't abolish private health insurance, think of the poor claims adjusters who'd be out of work
They'll grow something else. If you think farmers don't switch what they grow/raise all the freaking time, you've never met a Farmer or Rancher ever
sure I'll regret engaging with this sub
Nope, as a person who is involved in meat and dairy, we won't become jobless, well likely become rich.
Anybody who has got fairly flat land would just sell it to developers who'd turn it into tract housing or investors looking to park money somewhere where the sheer scale of the buys would help to drive up land/housing prices. You'll make way more profit from selling your land than being a farmer.
that makes no sense, how would higher supply with unchanged demand drive prices up? The prices would go down if anything, which would result in less land use and recovery of natural areas after a while
Im not a financial person, I literally spent three hours today picking weeds from around carrots in a light drizzle.
Well... the first buyers, who would and could buy at any price will be huge investment firms and the super rich. Think about how Bill Gates owns tons of farm land. Since those entities are sitting on tons of liquidity to snap up those properties whose owners probably still own tons of money in debt. Not have income, they need to clear those debts quickly. Now they've eaten up lots of the surplus. Now the prices start to rise again.
I kinda think like gentrification but out in the woods.
So now they get to decide, "Sit on the property as is, pay the property taxes every year, do the book keeping voodoo that lets you reduce income reported with deductions while having an asset that can be borrowed against or used as collateral" or "do something with the land that can increase the lands value to produce passive income, harvesting the lumber, mineral extraction, renting out houses, commercial interests, etc."
I think you're underestimating the paradigm shift that worldwide veganism would bring. Land is only scarce because carnism uses and destroys so much of it, veganism only needs about a tenth of that and would also slow climate change down by a lot.
Veganism aside, we're still talking about living in a capitalist political/economic system right?
So, I've heard the "rain forests are being mowed down because of cows" arguments before. This seems to forget that the same people, businesses, governments that are allowing the rain forests to be turned into cow pastures will just mow down the rain forests to plant things. Doesn't matter what, so long as profits, tax revenue, kickbacks can be paid out I don't see veganism changing that.
(Also, the point of my first comment was less about shitting veganism, and more about giving an actual argument as to why farmers won't be that bad off if there is a large enough move to veganism that farmers not able/willing to move to crops or nature maintenance work aren't going to be destitute.)
I see your point, and you are right, veganism is not sufficient, but it is necessary
While I can't follow you all, all the way, I'll do what I can to help out those who don't make me wince.
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Just off the top of my head...
Not everybody thinks that veganism is the way to go.
People might actually like raising cattle, fixing fences, driving around on a tractor moving around bales of hay.
People knowing that there is no adequate social safety net so their land is their retirement fund, totally or in part. So waiting until the last minute is kinda the goal.
People actually wanting to pass down things to their kids, grandkids, family that have some meaning. So keeping land that their grandparents passed to them until its time to pass it down to the next generation.
Humans aren't rational creatures so mush as creatures that can rationalize, so we don't do things to "maximize/minimize" in the way that mathlord economists want human beings to behave.
My wife has spent the last 20 years turning this place into a functioning farm, she's one of those folks big on regenerative/holistic/beyond organic type of stuff. And I'm here because she's here.
She jumped into it because she got tired of being fucked over by bosses as an employee, because people kept telling her various versions of, "what you're wanting to do is dumb and its going to fail", and to keep a super chud relative from taking over the place for as long as possible.
