Hot take: the the Scott Pilgrim comic and movie and game were all good.
no it isn't, it's run by the hard times, which is a separate satire website that's independently owned. they do good work
Further context: the hard times is basically a punk/hardcore version of the onion.
i did not previously have any thoughts on this show but then i saw a gif on tumblr that was very good so i am now a passionate defender of scott pilgrim as a work of art
I actually have most of the graphic novel in hard cover and color.
Hot take: Edgar Wright missed the point of the comic so hard he miscast Michael Cera as Scott.
Haven't watched the new show yet hope it's more faithful to the source material
care to elaborate? i never read the comic. why was it bad casting?
I haven't read it, and this probably isn't what CriticalOtaku meant but someone elsewhere in the thread said Scott is supposedly the top fighter in Toronto. I take it Scott is confident, maybe even arrogant, based on the comments here.
I'm now imagining Michael Cera playing a douchey UFC champion bideo bamer.
Scotts also cool and popular in the comic. He really doesn't have any of Ceras awkwardness
haha that makes sense, im also imagining Michael Cera playing a douchey UFC champion now.
There’s 2 parts
Part 1, no knock against Michael Cera, he’s a talented actor, but he kinda gets perpetually typecast into his role from Juno: awkward nerdy white guy wondering why life is happening to him
Part 2, Scott in the comic is, I can’t emphasize this enough, an asshole. He appears to be a Michael Cera character wondering why life is happening to him- except that he’s actually fully self-aware, and he’s just lying to himself and putting on the dopey act just so that he can get away with all his toxic bullshit. It’s only after he basically confronts himself on his own bullshit that he can move on with his life and relationships
Because the comic wasn’t done by the time the film started production, the movie basically misses out on most of the important parts of the ending and we were left with the cliff notes version.
Yep. The fact that the movie doesn't understand that Scott is the real bad guy (and needs to learn to be good) was it's biggest flaw.
More faithful to the comic it isn't, at least not in any literal sense, but if you want an arc that apologizes for the original casting of Michael Cera (despite itself still casting Michael Cera) this is probably the best you were ever going to get.
Making Michael Cera apologize for being Michael Cera is probably the most Michael Cera thing you could do to the poor bastard
It's faithful in the ways that matter (the characters and their arcs/motivation).
The fact that even with the massive plot differences everyone is actually exactly how they should be speaks to understanding the characters on a real level.
I'm glad this isn't actually happening.
First time was bad enough with its "what if I am the Main Character and if I play the bibeo bame well enough I will get the sex trophy" power fantasy bullshit.
Sure, at the eleventh hour the story supposedly subverts its own premise and suggests that Scott Pilgrim's main problem was himself, but most of the fandom ignored that the way a lot of chuds ignore Patrick Bateman actually being a deeply pathetic unhappy person with murder fantasies that were just that: impotent power fantasies.
I don't think judging an artistic work by how hard its fanbase or "fanbase" gets it wrong makes for compelling critique of said artistic work
Yeah we have examples of writers all but straight up saying "here's how to interpret this" to their audience, in the work, and people still interpret it wrong. Basically all art is subject to this. There are neoliberal Disco Elysium fans who Stan the Moralintern.
As The Doobie Brothers said, "what a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason him away".
I still think some stories more successfully convey what their authors were trying to convey.
Sure, at the eleventh hour the story supposedly subverts its own premise
That was one thing that about an otherwise fun movie (I know, I know, I'll see myself to the gulag) that didn't sit well with me. Scott acknowledges that he's been a self centered git but does nothing to make amends and everyone is just like "well guess that's the most maturity we're legally allowed to expect from a white dude in his 20's" and thus the main conflict is magically fixed.
As it is I couldn't make it through the completely charmless writing and delivery in the first episode of the anime so maybe the movie wouldn't hold up if I were to watch it again.
Kind of hard to have in a movie a 6 month sojourn to the Canadian wilderness for self reflection.
Original comic was a lot clearer that Scott's actually kinda an asshole and there's much more character growth on his part. Movie ending was too rushed imo
you'll be pleased to know scott apparently
spoiler
dies in episode one of this show
all the top level comments of a profoundly online website not knowing who the hard times or hard drive are is making me want to be the exact sort of gatekeeping weirdo this article is warning people about
Edit: sorry that was mean.
Do you also wonder what is real when somebody links the onion?
I’m kind of shocked this show was made. Instead of just the normal manga-adaptation style.
Watched a few eps of the new anime mostly for the local interest element. Talking about feelings is the new fighting thank you steven universe
i remember i got baited into watch that live action scott pilgrim movie because everyone loved it so much and i watched it and kinda hated it. i genuinely do not get it!!
What if life was like a bibeo bame and if you play well enough you earn the sex trophy
i hated it so much in high school and got called a removed.
When "Diary of a Wimpy Kid" was aggressively pushed in schools, I hated that too and I couldn't say a damn word against it because for some weird reason the administration loved it.
The graphic novels are good (and this new show) but the movie only got the style of the comics. It completely ruins envy adams
I gave the anime a shot last night and I was just really confused why they went with the anime style in general. Like it was already drawn in a way that could have been animated in its own style? The actual animation felt a little clunky and I think I would have rathered if they used new voice actors tbh, the voice acting felt a bit clumsy.
It feels like a "licensed product" rather than a core piece of media, ie Jak and Daxter: the lost frontier.
I'll admit I saw the movie at a very formative time and it has its problematic bits. Is it true they just talk about their feelings rather than fighting? Like sure that's better as a message, but Scott being "the best fighter in Toronto" from the original comics always felt like a really bizarre and funny character detail, the whole world was built around scott being a scrawny asshole but also a top tier fighter for some reason, and that absurdity felt important in the context of the world.
Overall I wish they would stop remaking media. The weird netflix self insert by making Ramona deliver DVDs for netflix just made me mad though. I felt like I was watching an ad. The whole vibe feels off, idk if I'm old or i'm correct.
That all sounds really unfortunate, I haven't watched it yet. I figured it was going to be very close to the graphic novels.
They fight.
Also it's so faithful to the actual "story" of the graphic novel (the arcs, etc) that the change in plot is less important.
Also the original graphic novel still had a ton of talking about feelings.
Honestly the movie had a lot of unexamined bad vibes. Apparently the comic examined them and that did not get put in the movie by the big studios.
This new show seems to be a response to that and actually seems genuinely cool and thoughtful in places. I dunno how well it stands on it's own but as a commentary on the movie I thought it was really good.Comic reader, the movie style was perfect but completely missed the point of all the characters.
The anime fixes this and understands everything.
I think going for the Rebuild treatment was a really cool idea and they mostly executed it pretty well. One thing I didn't get is why they put that blur effect on everything.
