I've seen a lot on people in twitter discussing wether people should do "kinks"(?) in pride because they might scar the children for life and other arguments. Also calling people like the youtuber Big Joel pedos for thinking this is not a huge deal.
What happened? Maybe this is an american thing but since when have kids been brought to pride?
I think it depends on what we mean by "kink" here too. Someone just wearing a BDSM collar out without anything else and it just looks like a fashion accessory to children is clearly on a different level than say, someone walking around near naked.
The latter is the type of thing that I believe to be wrong even if pride was entirely adults because other adults deserve to be treated respectfully and not exposed to without prior consent (and gay men/bi women are not all horny addicts who want to see every man naked), where as something like the first one isn't even pushing the line yet for me and I have no qualms.
But that's how I tend to view what should be acceptable for pride, as an issue of consent involving others around you. Involving them in sex play, exposing your nude body to them, etc are all consent breaking and therefore not really what people should be doing. Pride isn't for every single individual, but a communal event so if you aren't respectful of other queer people and their rights to consent than you can fuck off.
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Or the beach for that matter. Is someone wearing a speedo in a pride parade more offensive than someone wearing a speedo on the beach?
Speedos are often seen as inappropriate too if they expose too much.
Oh god, no, not a human body. What if someone sees a genital? Considering only 100% of us have them, it could scar children to learn about the existence of something so rare!
Yeah I mean who cares about all the people who don't want me exposing my genitals in their face /s
How dare checks notes a community for vulnerable and often abused people not want me to expose myself to them without consent.
No one needs your consent to exist exactly as they are without shame. No one should have to cover up any part of their natural human body because you don't like to see it. If we operated under that logic all the time, fat people would never be allowed to leave the house no matter how covered up they are.
How about you think about it for a second and realize there's an obvious difference between someone being fat, and someone exposing themselves in public.
Would you throw out those same defenses of "natural human body" if it was some cishet dude swinging his dick around at a group of women at a pool? No, that would be sexual harassment. Some asshole chud getting angry that fat people exist is completely different than that.
What about dick pics? "oh that's no different than sending a pic of their face, it's all the human body"? No, it's sexual harassment and not appropriate unless they consent first.
Sure, the difference is the way you're framing it. A person being naked is not doing anything morally wrong, but you frame it as though the decision not to cover their body is some kind of inherently malicious act. They're not just choosing not to hide their body, they are "exposing themselves." As though the natural, normal state of a human is to be covered and ashamed, and that by choosing to take off their clothes, these people are going out of their way to do some kind of harm.
Do you notice how in both of your examples, the actual harm being done is that the naked person is harassing someone? That is because even you cannot adequately describe how being naked is an issue, so you must invent something actually harmful for the naked person to be doing while they are naked. Why can't the naked person just, you know, not swing his dick around at a group of women at a pool? Why can't he just hang out inside the pool like everyone else? Well, because then it would be obvious he's not doing anything wrong and you wouldn't have a point.
Can't a clothed person also harass women at the pool?
And some people think bikinis are inappropriate. It's not my place to tell someone at a beach what they can or can't wear.
As long as the bikini (or speedo) properly covers things up then fuck the complainers, but if it's too small and shows things or is see through in some way tan it's not ok.
Those are pretty subjective measures though. What's "too small" to one person isn't going to be to another... like some people will think thong bottoms are way too far and some people think it's no big deal. I even think the "see through" thing is kind of a grey area. A lot of bathing suits get a little see through when they get wet. Hell, lots of people don't like wearing bras and don't feel like they need to cover themselves up if, god forbid, an outline of a nipple is visible.
Breasts and nipples are completely different than genitals, there are double standards around people with flat chests vs breasts (mostly men vs women so it's very misogynistic based) but genitals aren't acceptable for either.
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But a lot of people do think overly tight speedos are too revealing. I don't mean near naked as in "wearing a bikini", I mean wearing see through/lace underwear, or things that fit too small.
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I mean I agree about that, and I do think there is a lot of selective puritanism involved here (especially by Cishet society) despite the fact that they will parade around kids as sexual attractions and make statements like "Wow you're going to be so hot when you grow up" to young girls and the like, but I personally don't see that contradiction in society being a good defense of it. If anything it's the opposite and sexualizing everything is a disturbing trend in society that victimizes and harasses people who don't want it, a societal trend of Cishets that queer culture shouldn't be joining because it's filled with misogyny and pedophilia.
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Not everyone who is "near naked" is doing it for sexual gratification or for exhibitionist purposes. I wonder if you feel this way about people who are marching for topless equality or people who are using their body to convey a political message (e.g. my body my choice).
Topless equality is a different thing than running around with bottom genitals exposed.
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