They got so close then pivoted to free press as a deal breaker.
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Lenin's words are always useful to borrow so long as you never attribute them to the source.
Also probably best to say council or something the word soviet being scary and all
Not really. I just wanted them to reconsider some of their beliefs. I asked if land redistribution was bad authoritarianism or good. They couldn't decide other than "if the people support it it's fine"
Yeah, but my first thought was the terrible things people have supported. And that it's not necessarily the best to only do what the people want, and that as socialists we should support things that improve lives even if they aren't popular in the moment.
In the words of a wise man
"You can't trust people, people like Coldplay and voted in Hitler"
I'm not gonna lie as someone who leans anarchist this post pisses me off, lying to someone about what you believe to try to convince them is the definition of arguing in bad faith, and it's a manipulative tactic that reeks of arrogance.
If you feel like you need to lie to someone because they "just don't get it", you don't respect them as a person.
No, I'm doing it to protect my place in that community. I'm already an outsider, and saying "I'm a Marxist Leninist" would get me kicked. I'm pretending to be an orthodox Marxist just to challenge some views which don't make sense to me. That also means they have full ability to explain their positions.
I understand that it reeks of arrogance, but without me pretending to be an orthodox Marxist there wouldn't be any discussion anyway. This way we can at least try to find a middle ground.
What about when you lie/conceal to libs or more right leaning people about your true political alignment gradually bringing them closer to your position?
You’re gonna have a hard time convincing people of anything if you’re just boldly in their face about what your ideas are. Certain words and titles are so off putting to people they’ll shut you out before letting you get a word in. Maybe you don’t need to lie per say, but you probably will need to couch you language a little if you don’t want to them running off.
“Freedom of the press” in bourgeois society means freedom for the rich systematically, unremittingly, daily, in millions of copies, to deceive, corrupt and fool the exploited and oppressed mass of the people, the poor.
---Lenin
Yeah and I don't know how to respond to it. I'm not the most well read ML, so it's been just a lot of "what does the term authoritarian even mean" and then pointing out how that's not a useful term because it's so subjective. I decided to just go with primary sources are easier to come by now.
what does the term authoritarian even mean
anything that's effective against capital reaction
My quote was closer to "what does authoritarian even mean other than policies I don't agree with? Like I've seen people use it against Allende and that makes no sense to me"
Trying to frame it as politely as possible
But then it's still super open to interpretation. Some anarchists will say the existence of any prison is authoritarian then.
Just had the realisation that it is incredibly close to the thinking of ancaps when they genuinely believe in the NAP.
when it is made, it would reflect the diversity of ideas and driving ideology of anarchism, would it not
Not exclusively unless you've completely eradicated all internal and external reaction and the forces of imperialism.
You would be flooded with counterrevolutionary propaganda and have no acceptable means of getting rid of it.
Well historicaly AEA (actualy existing anarchism) that opperated at non insignificant scales for non insignificant timespans (Makhnovia, Catalonia) one way or the other didnt have freedom of press for non anarchist or non anarchist leaning publications and groups
