It's Joever for the Democrats no lie. I know polls are still pretty even and something could happen to give them a shot in the arm but honestly all the videos I've been watching and conversations I've been having IRL are just pointing to a complete anti-Democrat vibe. Watching a few videos that are saying the same thing and it could just be algorithm bias but idk. I don't even mean just for 2024 election like long term this party is fucked. I used to think they were going to be bent over and moved out of the way by the Republicans (consequently establishing a further fascist government) because Dems are spineless but they're actually doing such a terrible job that they're going to get voted out and allow the Republicans to further fascist-ize the US if that's even possible.
I'm low-key here for it, going to be interesting but I'm very scared for marginalized people and the proleys in general.
It's okay they'll just blame Black people for not voting instead of coming up with any sort of comprehensive plan that actually matches our interests
Noo you OWE the Democrats your vote to prevent FASCISM and if you DON'T vote for us you actually are to blame for the further oppression of your people (which will happen under us, too)
If you don't vote for this shitty party then the other one will make things even worse and also you have no other choice and also we are the greatest democracy the world has ever seen and also skill issue bootstraps you can't shoot your way to liberation!!!
- signed with my totally anti-racist condolences, thoughts, and prayers, the liberal state
Be prepared for more bamboozlement under the guise of journalism. Understand that Black politics will not be part of any discussion. Making it so would create a problem for people whose goal is to win office while also excluding the people whose votes they need. Media are an important part of sham democracy. No one should expect anything more than, “But Trump!” between now and November 2024. -- Margaret Kimberley
They're literally already telling the left to fuck off and simultaneously already blaming us for their loss a full calander year from now.
Clown show, the lot of them. Well for us it's been the same no matter who's in office so I couldn't care any less, the real pearl clutching will come from the libs
Yup I'm at the stage of "good luck with that, can't possibly imagine how that'll work out for you, if you need me I'll be over here loudly and repeatedly saying I told you so"
And the Bernie Bros! And the poll kiddos who polled but didn't show! And the misogynists who hate hill-dawg for being woman and the agesists and...
They usually brag about the black vote. It's more likely latinos or some other minority group will take the heat.
they’ll just blame Black people for not voting
and also not bother to do shit to help people who are blocked from voting
For me, this started in the aftermath of the Trump presidency, and the absolute denial and non-engagement of the Democratic party to self-examine their own actions that led to defeat, such as blocking Sanders to promote an unpopular Clinton, blaming everything on their voters, kicking and screaming, and then of course four years later fucking Sanders again.
I heard a good podcast with historia publica yesterday, and he said it excellently: when there's crisis, the youth wants to radicalize, but unfortunately, in our countries you are not allowed to radicalize left, only to radicalize right. (I'm paraphrasing).
In like 2018 pod Jons started an entire new series about litigating the previous election. Their big idea a progressive candidate who is even more progressive, cooler, hipper than Bernie. They declared Kamala as the perfect candidate.
I don't think they were saying he's good, but that even his brand of (incredibly popular) milquetost social imperialism was still unnacceptably left wing to the Democrats, who chose instead to lose Neoliberal-ly
If the US is around long enough, we might see a different party rise to take their place in the two party system, just like the republicans did with the Whigs.
It'd probably a hardcore libertarian party or something, wouldn't it?
Democrats will stop pretend8ng and just be the republican party under Bush with people like romeny, Liz Cheyney, and Pelosi working together.
Well have an actual far right party and an actual fascist party.
And liberals will still tell you you have to vote for Romney because otherwise Eric Trump will win.
This has been the ratchet effect of the Democratic party for the last 40 years, ever since Clinton’s triangulation.
Yeah there was a meme on the lib-space the other day about how you have to hold your nose and VOTE (hoping for a future more progressive dem) or you'll lose the chance to vote forever.
But if you follow the logic to its end-point, the meme fails. Since the DNC picks your D candidate, and D is the only one you can vote for forever, are you really voting for a future you can look forward to now? Is there even a point when one side is a hand-picked quiet fascist and the other is a loud obnoxious fascist?
Also they've used that argument before right before they lost the easiest election of the last century by refusing to even acknowledge progressives.
Than 4 years later that guy got voted out.
Seems like they're not being totally accurate in their analysis. Also after the whole "vote for the shitty candidate this time and maybe they'll be more progressive next time" is ringing a little hollow after about the 5th or 6th round of it.
Man we've just got to find a way to kick all these assholes into a volcano. I don't want to die of thirst knowing some rich prick is holing up in a bunker. I would be so salty! I wanna go down with their fucking blood in my teeth.
If we ever get to bunkers finding air intakes and pouring concrete down them is going to be the national pastime
Ooh if I'm alive I'm putting something smelly in that hole first so they can taste my esteem to their final breath
It would be very funny
if someone was to flood an oil tycoon's bunker with crude and then toss a matchHow would it burn? There wouldn’t enough air. Plus crude oil has an a pretty poor burn.
Gasoline would be much better, plus they'll get additional chemical burns : )
the dems die, the republicans split into mitt romney republicans (they get nearly all the dem voters automatically) and trumpers.
and you get a republican vs republican (new) election
Perhaps! I would imagine it would be a weirdo libertarian type beat, tea party type of thing.
Would finally bring the US in line with the rest of the west circa maybe 60-70 years ago if they finally did that. But I don't really see much of a labour movement over there.
US labor movement is growing rapidly and getting increasingly radical, but that is in relation to a very low water mark in both respects
That's good to hear. I would love to see my comrades in the US better able to organise. If a movement does get strong enough, I guess a labour party would form in order to work as a release valve for that socialist pressure. That's why they exist in most other western nations after all.
It would still be better then the fascist disaster we have now, better a labour party then straight Neo-Nazi's.
In a world that needs to evolve or die, a party that’s got a more conservative culture than the actual Conservative opposition is fundamentally doomed tbh
For sure. They refuse to adapt or falter on their shitty positions even a little bit
The dems have no constituency. The idpol will only take you so far. At some point you have to appeal to people’s material interests, and the republicans are better than they are at appealing to the interests of the bourgeoisie.
Eh, I wouldn't say Republicans are better at that. They're just marginally better at distracting and downplaying.
This basically. They definitely protect big business and privatization, sprinkled in with some reactionary patriotic bullshit and that's them in a nutshell
republicans cut the corporate tax rate from 35 to 20 percent
It was temporary, and it's gone back up so that they can do it again. They're smart at playing their benefactors in the long game.
The corporate tax cuts are permanent I just looked it up :/
The 2024 congressional budget will set the tax rate to 28%, not much, but at least better then now.
As a USian I'm here for it too.
Yes, it's going to suck. But it was going to suck hard anyway. At least now the Democrats will be out of the way and unable to siphon anymore revolutionary energy from the masses. It'll be final boss time from here on out.
The discrediting of the liberals prior to the Russian Revolution opened a can of fake left parties. The Bolsheviks still had to defeat many bosses before, and also in the course of, finally crushing the whites.
True. It'll be interesting to see what revolutionary organization in the US will look like going forward.
Genocide Joe proved that the Democratic Party is just polite fascists. Might as well do away with the decorum
The only way i'll support them is if they're smothered, covered, and peppered.
As a sergeant in the People's Diners Brigade, Waffle House Division, I must ask you to face the wall
The rot started with Bush wars and then Obama years for drone strikes and then all hell got loose with Trump. The intense Russophobia and Clinton's warmongering against Russia was out of bounds. This Russiagate scandal from the dems was absolute shitshow. They knew Trump was a bastard and he is doing crazy shit so let's start an anti Putin campaign...well after Russian intervention in 2022 it's all downhill from there. 🤣
You forgot when Clinton killed 500,000 Iraqi children and Albright said it was worth it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP1OAD9jSaI
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I just can't endure the suffering of next year when the elections come, Trump probably wins and puts the nail in the coffin while everyone seethes 24/7 on social media...
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Yea fr, Apolitical people I know who in the past were vaguely More for Dems (still didn’t vote tho) are now shit-talking Biden. And every point they bring up is pretty valid. I dont think they care enough to vote but still shows a shift in opinion
are now shit-talking Biden. And every point they bring up is pretty valid.
What are their points? I mean I could write up a huge list myself, I'm just curious which things are pushing the apolitical people you know against him. Like is it mostly the assisted genocide, or more about their own falling living standards?
Inflation in general but especially gas prices in my experience
Gas prices aren’t that bad, they’ve come down a lot. It’s mainly food prices and necessity goods.
I think the specific area I live in is just particularly bad (most stations in the $5.50 a gallon range)
Where are you???? The only places I can think it would be that high would be California in major cities or maybe New York City.
Or Hawaii but that’s obvious why.
Gas is 2.50-3.70 in the rest of the country.
Very rural northern California. I haven't been off the mountains so to speak in several months so I don't really know what prices are like in the rest of the country, but I believe you. Gas is always more expensive here I think
Makes sense, you’re pretty far from major transport hubs and ports, so a high cost to account for transport is understandable.
My experience in the US is mainly in the Northeast, and even in Pennsylvania with its massive 30 cent gas tax, the prices are still 3.45-3.65
Well, it’s the United States of course, Genocide is our foundation of our state, so apoliticals CAN’T really judge him on that lest they judge the founding fathers, which they likely won’t do because of years of indoctrination. Their issues are with his extreme old age and extraordinarily frequent gaffs, his claiming to be Pro-Union but being a Right-winger. I can’t speak for anti-Israel sentiments because most people I know don’t want to talk about it.
It will only intensify overseas. Magnitudes greater then it currently is.
I expect a lot of what Ilan Pappé is saying here about settler colonialism to apply to the US as well https://youtu.be/CrMQwsrQKos
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