So now we know, AOC is bad 100% of the time :aoc

  • RION [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Turning a big dial that says "Imperialism" on it and constantly looking back at the party elite for approval like a contestant on the price is right

  • buh [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Alexandria Occupation-Colonialism

  • SiskoDid2ThingsWrong [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    I mean AOC was always a fucking lib, but is it just me or did she seem to actively get worse about this kind of shit lately. Like she straight up pulled an Obama and ran more progressive than she was and gradually regressed the longer she was in office.

      • marxisthayaca [he/him,they/them]
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        3 years ago

        She fired her chief of staff who won her the election initially because he was too anti-establishment which made her look bad in the eyes of the people she want to please and hired Kamala Harris’s foreign policy aide to replace him instead.

        :michael-laugh:

      • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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        3 years ago

        She is surrounded by these type of ghouls

        "Surrounded by"

        Homie, if it looks, quacks, and walks like a duck...

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      I guarantee you that they're locking her in a room with a dozen Militarty Intelligence guys and just screening gore films while insisting "Only you can help end the violence" over and over and over again.

      Our Congress is just 435 people who did the Clockwork Orange therapy.

    • thrwdwnaway [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      I think a huge part of it is that the politicians who did this before relied on the electorate going to sleep between cycles or just the fact that people didn't pay much attention to the left in general. Now that the brand of the modern progressives is being always online and constantly in the spotlight they can't bullshit hard enough to maintain it. You can see them try to mitigate by dodging outlets that would give even mild push back, but even the softballs are starting to fuck them up the longer this goes on.

      Like it's not just AOC, Ro Khanna with his weird ass startup culture israel thing, Jayapal getting heated over Mariam Williamson asking for any kind of concrete plan, Cori Bush stumbling for a response when CNN ask why they don't vote as a block, etc. It's all going to break down.

    • pppp1000 [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I don't think she's a social democrat. Her stances are exactly the same as a liberal politician.

  • VHS [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    It seems like sometimes she starts with a good or decent opinion (end the embargo, don't invade Haiti) but then waters it down with imperialism in what looks to be an attempt to placate the right. Like, they hate you either way, why care?

    Or maybe she just has :LIB: brainworms

    • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Unironic liberal or spineless, cowardly, useless demsoc. Even in the best case, things ain't looking good.

  • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Powerful GWB-era Democrat energy. Remember when they would run on the platform of loving the shit out of our wars in the Middle East, but being upset that the Republicans were running them so badly

    • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      That's basically been the opposition party's playbook since Vietnam. They are almost always pro war, but they just bitch and moan about it being done wrong. I think :citations-needed: has an episode about it - or at least that's where I remember hearing about this framing from.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      Pretty much the Obama admin for eight years running.

      Better Imperialism With Diplomacy

  • fuckwit [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Like, why? Why the absolute fuck would you possibly want to take over Haiti?

  • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Really looking like she would've been on the winning side during the Spartacist Revolt

      • spectre [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        There's no centralism so what the national org thinks isn't all that important. The DSA has fewer issues with being "bad" and more issues with being a giant mixed bag (which obviusly includes a lot of badness by nature).

        • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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          3 years ago

          Given the current political climate, it's probably for the best that DSA is a mixed bag. If they actually had any kind of democratic centralism, the national DSA would have #SOSCuba as a pinned tweet.

  • zeal0telite [he/him,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    The trick to the "if we had a plan" is to never have a plan.

    That way you can look back on any intervention you did and solemnly say "we should have had a plan" and the SocDems can say "I told you we should have done Imperialism the nice and good way, with a plan".

  • marxisthayaca [he/him,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Anti blackness permeates all ruling-class ideology in the US. Therefore the idea of destroying, raping, pillaging, and further destabilizing a Black country is fundamental.

  • clover [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    tO Be fAiR apparently the question was weirdly worded. I think Goodman may have started with some awkward Afghanistan/Haiti comparison

    Either way, the whole shit about not sending troops "right now" as if that's an actual fucking option is real nutty. Like why dude? She absolutely knows better so what the fuck is up with this waffly imperialist posturing shit? At this rate, any career move she makes is going to look more like a Warren than a Sanders - too "left" for libs and too centrist/right for anyone paying attention. Shit fucking sucks; I found her really inspiring. Oh well... can't wait to get called a sexist pig by fucking Buttchuggers for not immediately supporting whatever she does.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      This is what two years in DC does to a mother fucker. They've done the Wrath of Khan brain worms thing to her.

  • modsarefascist [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Okay wait, is this being framed as an invasion by Amy Goodman; the same thing as a few days ago when the Haitian government asked for US troops to come? Or is this some other new invasion thing? Cus there's a difference between invading like we did Afghanistan and Iraq and coming to help an ally with a huge riot----depending on which side the US is taking that is. If we're supporting whoever killed their president and opposing the people's will then yea invasion-ish, but if it's a legit government then....idk it seems different than just an "invasion".

    • comi [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Legit government in haiti is kinda :cringe:

      • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Right. There is no one on the island who even has the legitimacy to call for military intervention. Who? The remnants of the Moïse administration who have spent the past year brutally suppressing the public? Someone from the NGO industrial complex? The local bourgeoisie?

        In all cases, it is just the US wearing sock puppets and having the right hand ask the left hand for boots. You won't ever see a mass proletarian demonstration asking for boots. These folks have been burning US flags regularly.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      Cus there’s a difference between invading like we did Afghanistan and Iraq and coming to help an ally with a huge riot

      Ok, so I know the armed US convey mowing people down in a major city center looks bad, but I think it's unreasonable to compare this particular incident to Collateral Murder and here's why...

    • LangdonAlger [any]
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      3 years ago

      If we’re supporting whoever killed their president and opposing the people’s will

      look a bit more into haiti, moise was a us puppet and sucked