Its not possible for Taylor swift music to be bad. Hundred's of talented people work on its production. Not liking slop from because it came from a giant slop machine is a perfectly valid response.
I love eating tastycakes. I am also revolted by tastycakes.
Nah I'd argue she's better than the MCU. The MCU became a bloated mess quickly. Her music is generic pop but I'd argue it's pretty good generic pop. Taylor is more like the older Fast and Furious movies.
Half of the people are 40+ whose entire personality is “not understanding the youth.” The other half are 18+ whose entire personality is “I hate when girls scream and get excited. They are icky”
My next door neighbor kept me up by blasting the one that goes "You belong with me(eee)(eee)" at max volume and on repeat many nights. Do I get a pass?
Honestly I feel like there's been a bit of a "switcheroo" with leftist online media discourse. I remember in my early 20s there was a lot of hate for the slop the "sheeple" loved coming from libertarian nerds, such to the point a lot of internet progressives actually began defending mainstream media and said aggressively disliking it was "elitist".
Sometime around Trump, or maybe it was the pandemic, the right became a bunch of treat hogs gobbling up their slop, so the left went back to being contrarian hipsters who sneer at Marvel movies and insist people watch weird Serbian indie movies.
Personally I prefer the latter but it was still a weird shift.
prevailing winds like that do sorta come and go but also... maybe some people just like taylor's music and some don't and it doesn't have objective merit or lack of merit? Just blaming contrarianism is kinda tired IMO, as is just blaming a counter-reaction to contrarianism for when people defend popular media. I don't give a shit what anyone else likes I just want people to stop trying to psychologize me when I express a completely subjective opinion on something
I get what you're saying and people on here do get... weird... about media. I would point out though, I think there's two factors playing into people's neuroticism about it.
1: there's some market logic to this behavior. If things I don't like get too popular, and things I like get too unpopular, the industry that makes these things will make less and less of what I like and more and more of what I don't. So there's a bit of a market incentive for fans to discourage fandoms of other things and promote their own. That's where a lot of the mockery come from. If I can make being a fan of bad thing cringe, there will be less bad thing.
2: media does have an impact on society. I think this impact gets a bit overstated at times, but it's there. A lot of these impassioned take down are coming from people who think modern media is having a detrimental affect on culture as a whole, heck certain people here think Netflix shows are turning people into psychopaths. Correct or not I don't think it justifies smug hostility towards people, but if it is true I get why people can get a tad heated by it.
Also Swift fans can be pretty culty, and I think some people think criticizing here will demystify her a bit and maybe get her fans to calm the fuck down.
Yeah I guess. I'm not a fan of hers but its not just because she's popular, I just don't like the music or the culty part of the fanbase. But I mostly stick to live and let live and don't comment on it unless those specific things come up
Hot take: Swift is actually talented but there's probably like 100,000 equally talented white girls who can sing decent pop music as well as her, but probably won't ever get her level of fame cuz they don't have the connections her parents did.
There is nothing about her music that is more unique than any other generic pop music—very meh. But she’s a fucking narcissist and her marketing is insufferable
Guess even leftists aren’t immune to the swiftie cult
I guess it’s my opinion, but the spotlight hasn’t been off of her since like 2010 and she always wants more attention. She feels more like a product than an artist who creates for the sake of creating
I listened to her earlier stuff when I was a kid, liked some of it, definitely a lot of earworms, but I tried listening to her new stuff when the gaylor stuff was hitting a fever pitch and it really didnt do anything for me, its just not my style I guess
its fine to like popular music, it's also fine not to. there's a lot of contrarianism out there but people also just have different taste and I see no reason to assume its all just contrarians not people who just legit dont vibe with her music
Most of the songs I like from her are also based on nostalgia. I don’t even like her as a person lol, but it’s weird seeing people get up in arms about the fans being weird as if this is a new phenomenon. I can definitely imagine all the grumpy people getting mad because everyone is screaming over Paul McCartney in the 60s lol. Like chill. These are just kids trying to savior the last remnants of free time and youth before it falls to shit
I feel like this is a new phenomenon though? I grew up with Taylor Swift, like I was in 8th grade when the Kanye VMAs things happened, and I definitely remember her being a huge artist and a lot of people being into her, but on this level? Like Beyhive, Barbz level, defend her to the death stans? That I don't remember.
Boy bands and even single acts have gotten crazed fanbases since the 20th century. And K-Pop bands/stars have that in the 21st century.
Taylor Swift definitely wasn’t an international, influential celebrity back in the day, so yes it’s new in that sense. But I was referring more to this type of celebrity and fandom in general, which isn’t new.
I met one of those anti-Mccartney guys. He was older, and a beetles song came on, he started saying "let's have a Beatles reunion: 3 more bullets" or something like that (I don't actually know how many were in the band, just whatever the number was after Lennon).
That's interesting. I think her old stuff is garbage but the new-ish stuff (like after whatever she was on with Look What You Made Me Do and that whole phase) is markedly better.
I also have the extremely controversial opinion that "All Too Well (Taylor's version)" is way better than it has any right to be, though it's got some really garbage moments too.
My taste in music is way more insufferable than Bjork fwiw :)
Taylor Swift is okay I guess, 1989 is fine the rest I can take or leave. It is perpetually shocking to me though, just how many contrarians foam at the mouth over her stuff.
Her country era was fun but since then I don't think she's made anything spectacularly unique. She's there with Katy Perry and Lady Gaga for me, catchy pop I can sing along to but dont need to seek out.
I listen to stupid bullshit like Tally Hall, I like when my artists have breakdowns and publish objectively awful music. I listen to demondice unironically, you can't do shit to me. Taylor swift writes music I can only describe as half-assed anime openings. None of the punch or encentricity.
bjork is nice though, I like the video where she beats up a reporter
I was inundated with Taylor Swift stuff on my feeds earlier this year out of the blue, despite never showing an inclination for TSwift lol. Regardless of the quality of her music I don't want it shoved in my face
It's also not good enough to have an army of millions of obsessed fanatics who stan her online, she's incredibly mid and that's where the hate comes from - not that she's bad, but that she's overrated (which she is)
Taylor's music is not bad enough to catch this much hate in the comments lmao
Fucking contrarians
We get it, you only listen to good pop like Bjork 🙄
Its not possible for Taylor swift music to be bad. Hundred's of talented people work on its production. Not liking slop from because it came from a giant slop machine is a perfectly valid response.
I love eating tastycakes. I am also revolted by tastycakes.
Taylor Swift is the MCU of pop music
Nah I'd argue she's better than the MCU. The MCU became a bloated mess quickly. Her music is generic pop but I'd argue it's pretty good generic pop. Taylor is more like the older Fast and Furious movies.
Tagline worthy
Half of the people are 40+ whose entire personality is “not understanding the youth.” The other half are 18+ whose entire personality is “I hate when girls scream and get excited. They are icky”
My next door neighbor kept me up by blasting the one that goes "You belong with me(eee)(eee)" at max volume and on repeat many nights. Do I get a pass?
I like that song so no, unfortunately
Pistols at dawn it is, then.
From the dozen or so people I've met here I think the average age is about mid-late 20s
but yes, literally everybody I've met here are hipsters that love mbv and car seat headrest, myself included
I'll have you know I am an elder millenial and I am 30 or 40 years old but yeah been trying to be less of a hipster
Honestly I feel like there's been a bit of a "switcheroo" with leftist online media discourse. I remember in my early 20s there was a lot of hate for the slop the "sheeple" loved coming from
libertarian nerds, such to the point a lot of internet progressives actually began defending mainstream media and said aggressively disliking it was "elitist".
Sometime around Trump, or maybe it was the pandemic, the right became a bunch of treat hogs gobbling up their slop, so the left went back to being contrarian hipsters who sneer at Marvel movies and insist people watch weird Serbian indie movies.
Personally I prefer the latter but it was still a weird shift.
prevailing winds like that do sorta come and go but also... maybe some people just like taylor's music and some don't and it doesn't have objective merit or lack of merit? Just blaming contrarianism is kinda tired IMO, as is just blaming a counter-reaction to contrarianism for when people defend popular media. I don't give a shit what anyone else likes I just want people to stop trying to psychologize me when I express a completely subjective opinion on something
I get what you're saying and people on here do get... weird... about media. I would point out though, I think there's two factors playing into people's neuroticism about it.
1: there's some market logic to this behavior. If things I don't like get too popular, and things I like get too unpopular, the industry that makes these things will make less and less of what I like and more and more of what I don't. So there's a bit of a market incentive for fans to discourage fandoms of other things and promote their own. That's where a lot of the mockery come from. If I can make being a fan of bad thing cringe, there will be less bad thing.
2: media does have an impact on society. I think this impact gets a bit overstated at times, but it's there. A lot of these impassioned take down are coming from people who think modern media is having a detrimental affect on culture as a whole, heck certain people here think Netflix shows are turning people into psychopaths. Correct or not I don't think it justifies smug hostility towards people, but if it is true I get why people can get a tad heated by it.
Also Swift fans can be pretty culty, and I think some people think criticizing here will demystify her a bit and maybe get her fans to calm the fuck down.
Yeah I guess. I'm not a fan of hers but its not just because she's popular, I just don't like the music or the culty part of the fanbase. But I mostly stick to live and let live and don't comment on it unless those specific things come up
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Hot take: Swift is actually talented but there's probably like 100,000 equally talented white girls who can sing decent pop music as well as her, but probably won't ever get her level of fame cuz they don't have the connections her parents did.
There is nothing about her music that is more unique than any other generic pop music—very meh. But she’s a fucking narcissist and her marketing is insufferable
Guess even leftists aren’t immune to the swiftie cult
A narcissist? Why?
I guess it’s my opinion, but the spotlight hasn’t been off of her since like 2010 and she always wants more attention. She feels more like a product than an artist who creates for the sake of creating
She plays into the worship of her army. She knows exactly how they are and she throws gasoline on it. She's actively cultivated a cult of personality
I listened to her earlier stuff when I was a kid, liked some of it, definitely a lot of earworms, but I tried listening to her new stuff when the gaylor stuff was hitting a fever pitch and it really didnt do anything for me, its just not my style I guess
its fine to like popular music, it's also fine not to. there's a lot of contrarianism out there but people also just have different taste and I see no reason to assume its all just contrarians not people who just legit dont vibe with her music
Most of the songs I like from her are also based on nostalgia. I don’t even like her as a person lol, but it’s weird seeing people get up in arms about the fans being weird as if this is a new phenomenon. I can definitely imagine all the grumpy people getting mad because everyone is screaming over Paul McCartney in the 60s lol. Like chill. These are just kids trying to savior the last remnants of free time and youth before it falls to shit
I feel like this is a new phenomenon though? I grew up with Taylor Swift, like I was in 8th grade when the Kanye VMAs things happened, and I definitely remember her being a huge artist and a lot of people being into her, but on this level? Like Beyhive, Barbz level, defend her to the death stans? That I don't remember.
Boy bands and even single acts have gotten crazed fanbases since the 20th century. And K-Pop bands/stars have that in the 21st century.
Taylor Swift definitely wasn’t an international, influential celebrity back in the day, so yes it’s new in that sense. But I was referring more to this type of celebrity and fandom in general, which isn’t new.
Oh yeah sorry misunderstood. Yeah I was just reacting to the phenomenon of the Taylor swift Stan specifically
Fan girls are one thing, sure. I’m talking about grown ass adults here in a trumpian cult and I feel like it has a deeper sociological implication
I met one of those anti-Mccartney guys. He was older, and a beetles song came on, he started saying "let's have a Beatles reunion: 3 more bullets" or something like that (I don't actually know how many were in the band, just whatever the number was after Lennon).
That's interesting. I think her old stuff is garbage but the new-ish stuff (like after whatever she was on with Look What You Made Me Do and that whole phase) is markedly better.
I also have the extremely controversial opinion that "All Too Well (Taylor's version)" is way better than it has any right to be, though it's got some really garbage moments too.
My taste in music is way more insufferable than Bjork fwiw :)
Taylor Swift is okay I guess, 1989 is fine the rest I can take or leave. It is perpetually shocking to me though, just how many contrarians foam at the mouth over her stuff.
That's why I only listen to 70s and 80s funk and soul. Nobody knows who Tower of Power is so they can't make fun of you for liking them.
Her country era was fun but since then I don't think she's made anything spectacularly unique. She's there with Katy Perry and Lady Gaga for me, catchy pop I can sing along to but dont need to seek out.
I listen to stupid bullshit like Tally Hall, I like when my artists have breakdowns and publish objectively awful music. I listen to demondice unironically, you can't do shit to me. Taylor swift writes music I can only describe as half-assed anime openings. None of the punch or encentricity.
bjork is nice though, I like the video where she beats up a reporter
I was inundated with Taylor Swift stuff on my feeds earlier this year out of the blue, despite never showing an inclination for TSwift lol. Regardless of the quality of her music I don't want it shoved in my face
I listen to highly respectable music like Ska
It's also not good enough to have an army of millions of obsessed fanatics who stan her online, she's incredibly mid and that's where the hate comes from - not that she's bad, but that she's overrated (which she is)
Congratulations on posting the most triggering comment! But im with the masses, always ready to get irrationally worked up over burguise culture
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