Opinion | Despite Everything, Bernie Sanders Still Believes
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The senator from Vermont explains why the left still has a fighting chance.

“Sometimes people say, you know, you’re 78, all that stuff, and you’ve been doing this for a long time — But should I be quitting now? When you look out and you talk to these beautiful, beautiful young people who want to move this country forward in such a decent, humane way, it really does inspire me. And to the degree that I have gotten those folks involved in the political process, yeah, I am very proud of that. I don’t know that I’ve ever done anything in my life more important than that.”

    • Blarglefargle [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Obama but he’s wearing a ski mask and pointing a gun at Bernie’s grandkids

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        This is Bernie and always has been. He has loyalty to the dems

        He was an independent most of his career. He's too friendly with them for his own good, but he pretty transparently ran as a Democrat because that's the only real platform that was available to him.

        People shouldn’t make excuses for Bernie based on the assumption that he has some short of hidden power level or socialist values or beliefs

        He literally called for giving workers some ownership over the means of production.

        We can move on without shitting on the guy. No one wants to be part of a movement that burns its members at the stake when they fail. He did some good things, he's a spent force now, nothing productive will come of beating a dead horse.

          • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            think about where he went wrong and where he falls short

            Absolutely essential stuff.

            personally attacking the guy

            I don't see this doing anything productive, and to anyone who's not a terminally online leftist (like all the libs in here) it at best sounds bitter and catty. At worst, think of how crucifying Sanders while simultaneously defending Cuba or the Soviet Union comes off to any normal person. "Wait, you're willing to go to bat for [scary communist boogeyman] but you hate that old dude from Vermont?" It's the fastest way to turn off people who are beginning to radicalize.

              • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                that may not be the best thing to start out with

                If it's a common part of regular discussion in leftist spaces you don't need to start out with it -- someone wanders in and hears/reads it.

                  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                    4 years ago

                    I'm not saying "don't tell people leftist states do a lot of good things, actually." I'm saying that if you combine something that radical with blunt shitting on the most popular politician in the country, that's going to be too much for some people who are otherwise ready to consider more radical ideas. And there's no reason to do the latter, so why do it? It can only hurt us, especially considering so many people find this place and others like it because they like what Bernie has to say and then start digging deeper.