• barrbaric [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Around 70% of Canadians own their home and as such identify with landlords more than tenants. Home ownership is closely correlated with age, and older people have higher voter turnout, so they want to appeal to them. In addition, younger people who do vote are much more likely to already be voting NDP.

        • OgdenTO [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Owning the home you live in is personal property, owning a home to rent out is capital -- you are using this asset to make money.

          The home you live in won't provide real I come, as to realize any gains from the asset you have to sell and move -- and to live somewhere else will cost money too. Only boomers and people who don't get it think there is value in a home asset. It's really just a cheaper way to have a place to live versus renting.

          Yes, there is an advantage over renting, but that is just an argument to be made for everyone owning their home.

        • barrbaric [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Somewhat, but there's a difference in how much your ideology is being informed by material conditions depending on how ideologically aware you already are. IE, most normal people have no consistent ideology, and are more susceptible to this, whereas an ideologically rigorous communist should be more resilient to being swayed. The problem, as it is with most things, is that most people aren't communists.

        • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I don't think the answer is that leftists should be renters forever or whatever (nor am I accusing you of making that claim), but I think a lot of leftists need to unlearn the capitalist propaganda of homeownership as the American dream or whatever. Homeowners have reactionary class interests, they directly profit from homelessness/expensive housing, etc. A homeowner is a small-scale land speculator.

        • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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          3 years ago

          Yeah but people's views aren't totally dependent on material interests. If I'm homeless I'm more likely to support policies that help the homeless, but that doesn't mean that everyone with a home will oppose such policies.

      • steve5487 [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        that makes sense, but also implies that if homes become increasingly owned by large multi home landlording companies that might shift

        • barrbaric [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Yeah, on a long enough timescale that would probably be true, but climate change is going to throw such a huge wrench into things I don't feel comfortable making predictions.

    • OgdenTO [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      It would be but the NDP is too dumb to realize that there is not just vote getting in a strong left position, but that it's morally good too.

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Tried it provincially, went over super well in the city and was crushed by the Tories everywhere else so we get a conservative led province. We have our own cool built in gerrymandering.

        • OgdenTO [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          From what I remember, they tried some progressive policy, but nothing worker focused. I think that's the way to the rural vote - not to let the PCs brand themselves as the the party of the working class.

    • pppp1000 [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Just yesterday, we had a bunch of "small landlord aren't bad because I have a good relationship with mine" comments.

      https://hexbear.net/post/134080

    • bigboopballs [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Canadians are lib as fucking hell, and even most of the poor and downwardly mobile are just waiting for their turn to put on the landlord boot so they can stop being a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.

      I'm sure most people who bother to vote are even worse than average

  • SolidaritySplodarity [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    If someone doesn't like your socialist positions, just be liberal. This will convince them that socialism is better.

  • OgdenTO [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The NDP just needs to take some bold stances and have some worker-focused policies.

    Under Jagmeet they are barely Liberals light, and have no ideology of their own. They are just performing a mirror of what they imagine politics is - it's like a nice version of West wing. They are so stupid and it makes me kind of mad that I'm probably going to vote for them since Dimitri Lascaris didn't get the Green leadership.

  • dynasty [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    NDP is mid same with all of Canada's politics

    Knowing a few other not NDP party members personally I can say they are way worse tho

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      Excorise the White Devils and it might.

      Where's a good old fashioned Boxer Rebellion when you need one?