The question is in bold at the end. It's better to eat your veggies first but...
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Imagine it's January. Consider this imaginary list of Biden and the DC dems "accomplishments".
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Abortion. Dem failure. They haven't really done anything on the federal level yet. By election day ~40% (or whatever the number is) of women won't have reproductive rights. It's possible that in June the GOP justices will ban abortion on a federal level.
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The Supreme Court. Dem failure. They didn't pack the court. Instead they passed minor reforms that are total fucking bullshit. It's clear to anybody with a working brain that the GOP justices will be openly fucking us for decades. Stephen Breyer is 83. There are rumors he has had "medical treatment" but he refuses comment on such quotidian matters. Of course, when he dies - his replacement will be a GOP justice.
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Protecting democracy. Dem failure. The For the People Act never got passed and never will get passed. By using a filibuster carve out - Biden and the dems passed a piddly version of the John Lewis Voting Rights Act. It's a joke. It's like putting up some sandbags instead of stopping a dam from failing and causing a catastrophic flood. By election day ~40% (or whatever the number is) of the electorate will face anti-democracy laws. The 2022 elections will be bad. 2024 will be a total horrorshow.
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Protecting the climate. Dem failure. By using yet another fucking filibuster carve out - the dems passed a hollowed out version of the dem-only infrastructure bill. The proclaimed amount for climate is $550B. When grotesque pork like the gimmes to the energy sector are subtracted - the number falls to a bit over $500B. Another piddly number.
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In this context - consider the following convo in r/politics
Leftist: "Why should I vote for the democrats in the elections?"
Lib: "That's so stupid that I won't even answer. Do you care about democracy? Do you care about anything? You have to vote democrat."
Leftist: The leftist lists those four bullet points (and more?) and says "To reiterate: Why should I vote for the democrats in the elections? All they do is fail. Use your words or - hell - use somebody else's words (give me a link to an article) that answers my question."
The liberal links to an article by some idiot "thinker" lib like Jonathan Chait. The article is for voters disheartened, disillusioned, and disgusted with the democrats and it has an "undeniable" list of reasons that we all gotta vote for the democrats. What sort of arguments does that article make?
Noam Chomsky's argument for voting is the best one, and doesn't really have a good counterargument: you only have to do it once every couple of years; it takes little time (relative to other types of political organizing); and for all their failures, Democrats are demonstrably better on a lot of issues than Republicans.
"Don't vote" is a useless, contrarian take. If you really think voting doesn't matter, then what's the purpose of starting struggle sessions over something that doesn't matter? It's just trying to show that you're smarter than other people -- it's not organizing, it doesn't convince anyone to move left, and it doesn't move us closer to any sort of material improvements. It's a pointless fight with someone you should want to listen to you. That gives them less of a reason to listen to you, not more.
Instead of derailing conversations into a discussion of something you don't even think matters, say yes (regardless of what you actually think about voting) and then move to a more productive topic.
There is actually something to be gained by more people realizing that our electoral institutions are not democratic and not going to save us, it raises political consciousness. That said, Lenin advocated participating (via a workers party) in bourgeois parliamentary politics in order to demonstrate this to the masses, not abstaining.
There is something to be gained by that, so we should simply make that argument in exactly the words you just did. Making a big deal about not voting doesn't accomplish that -- it derails the conversation into them attempting to shame you into voting. Say "yeah, I'm voting" -- you can lie! -- and then move on to talking about how little can be accomplished through our current electoral process.
not voting could be cool if it was done in big enough numbers to challenge the actual legitimacy of the elections. you'd probably only need another 20% of Americans to stop voting to really suck the myth of democracy out of this system. Though of course you as individual not voting is useless, you are just considered apathetic or whatever even if you had reasons.
I don't think people should vote democrat even if they are marginally better than Republicans. Voting Green or whatever third party you want I feel is a more effective way to express displeasure at the ballot box (more effective than voting blue every year at least). Leftists should be seeking to undermine the legitimacy of the American government and voting Dem is marginally counterproductive to that.
that being said vote for whoever you want your one vote doesn't matter in the grand tide of history
you are just considered apathetic or whatever even if you had reasons.
This is exactly right, and no one listens to these people. You'll be viewed the same way if you vote Green or some other irrelevant third party. Whether you vote or don't vote won't undermine the legitimacy of the government, either, because (as you said) your one vote doesn't matter.
If there's a decent candidate with some level of popular support, it makes sense to vote for them -- that would show some mass willingness to move in the right direction, which can be useful. If the candidates are shit, at least swallow your pride and say you're voting for the Democrat, because otherwise you're just wasting time and energy fighting a useless fight over whether one person should vote or not. It makes no sense to even get into that discussion when it'd be more productive to talk about almost anything else.
No liberal would mention Chomsky or link to him. That's not how they think.
They don't have to know about Chomsky to make the argument. It's not anything complicated or novel. More importantly, why would we ignore a good point just because libs might not think of it?
They don’t have to know about Chomsky to make the argument
To quote myself...
THAT’S NOT HOW THEY THINK.
C'mon, man. You're acting like an obnoxious chud. This is tedious.
:data-laughing: the guy all-caps shouting at me on the internet is calling me obnoxious lmao
Hey it worked! You read it!
Chomsky is brilliant but he's also 92 years old. His mind is no longer agile. If what I said in the self text (which you might not have even read) comes to pass - voting won't even fucking matter. By election day the dems will have allowed dozens of Handmaid States to be created.
The dems are going to do nothing about it. Instead, they're going to campaign and fundraise off of abortion rights.
Abortion Arrives at the Center of the American Political Maelstrom - The New York Times
Eyeing 2022, the Democrats' Senate campaign arm has signaled it will use abortion rights as a cudgel against Republicans running in states like Florida, New Hampshire, Nevada and North Carolina. Democrats planning campaigns for governor next year are preparing to brand themselves as the last line of defense on abortion rights, particularly in states with Republican-controlled legislatures.
Australia has compulsory voting. They're becoming a police state anyway. Google Surveillance Legislation Amendment (Identify and Disrupt). The US is well on its way to becoming 100x worse. But sure - vote in 2022 if it give you hope in a hopeless situation and it makes you feel good. Just don't be delusional about it.
"Joe Manchin is good for the Democrats, actually. Without a conservative voice to keep the left grounded in reality, the Democrats would lose every competitive seat in the House. The fact that the Democrats have internal division is the sign of a healthy, functioning party. The most dangerous thing about the Republicans isn't their willing disbelief in climate science, anti-masking tendencies, or policies restricting women's bodies. No, it's their ability to unify behind a single message with an totalitarian-like discipline that makes the GoP which makes them a threat to democracy. Donald Trump and Mitch McConnel's party line is eerily reminiscent of popular strongmen of 3rd world countries that plunge their countries into chaos after taking power; Fidel Castro and Xi Jinping envy their Republican counterparts' ability to turn truth into reality they wish they could achieve. Bernie Sanders and his acolytes failed to bring their brand of brand of "woke" authoritarianism to the party in 2016 and 2020. To bring this back home, if you want to your democratic party to avoid flirting with fascism that became popular in the Trump-era (if you can call his measely four years as an era, but for the sake of argument let's do so) you need Joe Manchin. And Kristen Sinema, and Joe Biden. It's either that or fascism."
The less the Democrats do, the more you have to vote for them because the more desperate the situation will be if they lose. That seems to be the basic strategy. It'll be the same arguments as last time. Only you have to vote extra hard because all the issues you listed above are now worse. The Dems just need a bigger majority because if they get it they'll definitely do something, we promise
"The Democrats may not be as much as a speedbump in the path of the the Republican steamroller, but they are the bloated corpses that pop when the steamroller runs over them, and in the long run, that's eventually going to cause the steamroller to rust."
Because the dems need to hold the presidency for the next fifty years to retake the supreme court and finally overturn Roe v Wade in the name of bipartisanship
2071
Breaking News
The democratic party has finally succeeded in codifying abortion rights into law.
Breaking News the next day
The Supreme Court used the shadow docket and declared the law to unconstitutional. It is in limbo. Earlier today, Chuck Schumer V was caught on a hot mic saying "I did that. I killed it. I called in some favors. This is actually good for us. We can run on abortion rights in 2072. In the meantime - it's fundraising gold, baby!"
naked admission that dems need to just barely lose to maintain the legitimacy needed for record fundraising and they can't do that without votes, sweaty
I've got a feeling this winter will bring some exponential disintegration of masquerade
Not voting for Candace Owens shows the left is racist/misogynist and judging candidates by their actions instead of platitudes gives them no incentive to change so actually you're the terrible person