Except that America would have done all that anyways without 9/11.
The Project for the New American Century (think tank with a shitload of Bush officials) literally expressed their intent prior to 9/11 and said that it would take time unless there was a new Pearl Harbor - i.e. 9/11 was simply an excuse and they were planning on doing it all regardless, just a bit slower. Plus, with the amount of fucking around America was doing in the middle-east during the 20th century, something like it was bound to happen sooner or later.
I think libya had made much more impact, with brazen disregard to anything resembling goals or plans, all countries became much more cautious with usa, plus lead to immigration “crisis” in europe, leading to far right shitheads (obviously, western view)
It isn't americancentrist for happening in the US nor cause it happens outside of it. It is that, since it views the world only through the actions of the US and things do only happen when they are involved in it.
It's not americentrism, the Iraq war was a massive crime that hugely fucked up the region, affecting many of the world's most populated countries in the process.
This is like saying WW2 is Eurocentric while ignoring the pacific and Mediterranian+ME theaters, just because Germany started it.
Plus nobody is discounting the fact that other things have happened as well, the list of "defining moments of the century" is probably like 10-15 things long. 9/11 and covid-19 top it right now (still have 79 years for more shit to happen), but the Iraq war is very likely to make the cut even if it's not at the very top of the list.
9/11 absolutely does not top that list lmao. Now that's americentric. 9/11 was nothing compared to a litany of other shit that happened since 2000, much of which America perpetrated (and would have perpetrated anyways, even without 9/11).
Your post lists 9/11 as more "defining" for the century than the Iraq war, which is literally laughable. Please explain to me if I'm still missing something.
As for your point that the title says "one of the most defining", yes, that's very true - but not the point of my reply.
Look, I'm sorry for bothering you with the dismissive tone. However, I'm frankly offended by any comment putting 9/11 above the Iraq war by any metric at all, and nothing you followed up with convinces me that it's not just an unfortunate leap of chauvinism.
If you've got an actual rationale or something I'm missing, please do explain it to me - I'm interested in understanding.
how is the Iraq war one of the most defining moments of the century
I mean, it led to the formation of ISIS, and resulted directly in 500k to a million deaths.
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feel like you are using the consequences as a way to measure importance 9/11 makes more sense than Iraq
Except that America would have done all that anyways without 9/11.
The Project for the New American Century (think tank with a shitload of Bush officials) literally expressed their intent prior to 9/11 and said that it would take time unless there was a new Pearl Harbor - i.e. 9/11 was simply an excuse and they were planning on doing it all regardless, just a bit slower. Plus, with the amount of fucking around America was doing in the middle-east during the 20th century, something like it was bound to happen sooner or later.
They're both on the list
I think libya had made much more impact, with brazen disregard to anything resembling goals or plans, all countries became much more cautious with usa, plus lead to immigration “crisis” in europe, leading to far right shitheads (obviously, western view)
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Bad comparison IMO.
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Americanocentrismo
This is the opposite of americentrism - the Iraq war barely affected America at all, and basically destroyed the region, leading directly to ISIS.
It isn't americancentrist for happening in the US nor cause it happens outside of it. It is that, since it views the world only through the actions of the US and things do only happen when they are involved in it.
It's not americentrism, the Iraq war was a massive crime that hugely fucked up the region, affecting many of the world's most populated countries in the process.
This is like saying WW2 is Eurocentric while ignoring the pacific and Mediterranian+ME theaters, just because Germany started it.
Plus nobody is discounting the fact that other things have happened as well, the list of "defining moments of the century" is probably like 10-15 things long. 9/11 and covid-19 top it right now (still have 79 years for more shit to happen), but the Iraq war is very likely to make the cut even if it's not at the very top of the list.
9/11 absolutely does not top that list lmao. Now that's americentric. 9/11 was nothing compared to a litany of other shit that happened since 2000, much of which America perpetrated (and would have perpetrated anyways, even without 9/11).
I think you completely missed the point of my post
Your post lists 9/11 as more "defining" for the century than the Iraq war, which is literally laughable. Please explain to me if I'm still missing something.
As for your point that the title says "one of the most defining", yes, that's very true - but not the point of my reply.
Tbh I'm not really interested in having a discussion with someone who calls what I say "laughable" without adding anything of substance.
Look, I'm sorry for bothering you with the dismissive tone. However, I'm frankly offended by any comment putting 9/11 above the Iraq war by any metric at all, and nothing you followed up with convinces me that it's not just an unfortunate leap of chauvinism.
If you've got an actual rationale or something I'm missing, please do explain it to me - I'm interested in understanding.