Y'all on the lib shit around here

          • Alaskaball [comrade/them]M
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            3 years ago

            So you're saying my family and friends that died from covid is a government conspiracy?

            Get :ban-hammer: and get the fuck out of here

            • Iminhere3000 [none/use name]
              hexagon
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              3 years ago

              No, I'm saying that a real pandemic is being used to accomplish these things. So it is necessary to question the mainstream narrative with this in mind. It's not that complicated

              • Alaskaball [comrade/them]M
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                3 years ago

                What mainstream narrative are you questioning then, that covid isn't burning through this nation, that vaccines aren't real, or that you shouldn't eat toxic substances like bleach and horse paste?

                  • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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                    3 years ago

                    Yeah, but that doesn't mean universally every single fact mentioned on CNN is suddenly wrong. Otherwise we'd be drinking bleach lmao.

                    • andys_nuts [none/use name]
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                      3 years ago

                      Plus, "questioning" should have some focus, or else the questioner is just blowing smoke. @Alaskaball's comment about "well what exactly are you questioning, what exactly do you think is false?" is a good one.

                      • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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                        3 years ago

                        Fucking thank you. Otherwise it's just crank shit.

                        And it's megasus to imply (as some people sometimes do) that "WMDs in Iraq" and "don't eat the horse paste" are somehow equivalent narratives.

                      • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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                        3 years ago

                        Yeah, of course you should interrogate all news reports. But in this instance it's not looking like anti-ivermectin media is a conspiracy.

                          • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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                            3 years ago

                            All of this is very true, but not really relevant to the ivermectin coverage.

                            Basically all pandemic coverage focuses on individual choice and avoids looking too hard at the systemic issues underlying it all. This is, of course, beneficial to bourgeois interests. The horse paste (subject of this thread) still isn't a good idea, just like the previous miracle cures chuds were obsessing over which have now been memory-holed.

                              • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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                                3 years ago

                                We've just gone over this, though. You should question and analyze everything. Questioning and analyzing ivermectin coverage shows that, while the media is shit, ivermectin probably isn't a good idea. Therefore, OP should stop JAQing off all over this thread.

                                  • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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                                    3 years ago

                                    "Just Asking Questions."

                                    Also, we have other sources that show us that ivermectin is probably a bad plan, and WMDs were not in Iraq. The media is unreliable, but they're only sometimes lying, as a function of the interests of their owners.

                                    In any case, we should probably wrap up this discussion, because the thread has been removed.

                  • Alaskaball [comrade/them]M
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                    3 years ago

                    Do you not accept that it is within their class interest to not have large numbers of the proletariat poison themselves to death during another crisis of Capital?

                      • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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                        3 years ago

                        Most big bourgeois would probably like nothing more than for everyone to take the fucking vaccines and go back to work. Necessity of booster shots (more money for pharma companies) is guaranteed regardless due to vaccine apartheid in the global south.

                          • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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                            3 years ago

                            Well yes, the bourgeoisie is not a monolith. It is in the interests of most of them for things to go back to normal, especially many of the larger and more powerful ones directly invested in the stability of the state.

                • Iminhere3000 [none/use name]
                  hexagon
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                  3 years ago

                  It is misdirection as far as who the enemy is. It's not idiots taking ivermectin. Ruling class is running off with bags rn and restructuring society to make any kind of worker organizing very difficult. I think they are happy for the working class to fight amongst itself over dumb and sometimes made up shit like this.

                  It's media propaganda (this article is a perfect example) aimed at the libs/left to discredit any questioning of the narrative. Not too different from Alex Jones post 9/11 making any questioning of the mainstream narrative sound like crazy "conspiracy" talk

                  • LilComrade [comrade/them]
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                    3 years ago

                    :jesse-wtf: you are on the right track but obviously too stupid to do good media analysis. Go listen to citations needed and realize you’re not that smart and that’s ok. :citations-needed:

                  • andys_nuts [none/use name]
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                    3 years ago

                    It is misdirection as far as who the enemy is. It’s not idiots taking ivermectin.

                    This isn't an either/or thing. Obviously capitalists are part of the problem, but your friendly neighborhood chuds are part of the problem, too. With our deep reserve of posting power we can dunk on both.

          • LilComrade [comrade/them]
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            3 years ago

            So all the people whose surgeries for very real health problems that are getting delayed where i live are all just part of a grand conspiracy? and the ICUs aren’t actually full of fucking morons too stupid to save their own lives and help end the pandemic by getting vaccinated?

            • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              Neither of you have presented a cohesive point though. The bourgeois use anything as an excuse to do literally all of those things, what specifically does it have to do with the narrative surrounding ivermectin. Please explain the material interests at play, and who is manipulating what exactly.

      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        The whole ivermectin thing is a stupid meme

        It's not though. People in my country have died because of it. They take copious amounts of ivermectin and die of liver poisoning.

        https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/south-africa/2021-07-20-they-think-they-are-safe-doc-issues-chilling-warning-as-people-taking-ivermectin-continue-to-die/

        “Most of these patients have been taking ivermectin which was prescribed by doctors and as a result they feel protected,” he said.

        He warned that people using the drug — which is an anti-parasitic medication meant for animals — believed they were safe from contracting Covid-19 which in turn led to unsafe behaviour such as not wearing masks or sanitising their hands.

        Some 90% of the patients using the drug, had presented with liver damage, he added."

        “I have lost five patients to liver failure from ivermectin and all patients now admitted here have all been on [the drug]," he said.

        Taban was critical of doctors who continued to give ivermectin to their patients.

        “Clearly this drug does not work and is not intended for use by humans. I strongly encourage you to stop prescribing it and advise against [its] use.”

      • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
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        3 years ago

        Ehhh

        https://www.insider.com/inmates-arkansas-jail-unknowingly-given-ivermectin-treat-covid-19-2021-9

      • andys_nuts [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        "People believed a false story that's a carbon copy of some true stories, those fucking fools!"

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      "Hospitals are at capacity" has been a story for weeks now. I've got a friend who works an ICU in Houston and will happily confirm there are a lot of new patients and resources are stretched thin.

      "People are treating ivermectin as a COVID panacea" is also true. We're seeing Top Minds in the Talk Radio racket and Podcast-o-Sphere boosting about its effectiveness.

      So the aggregation of stories is plausible.

      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah, the fake Oklahoma story was almost a carbon copy of a real thing that happened in Florida, where a gunshot victim waited 6 days for hospital treatment due to the ICUs bring full. That's why people believed the fake story, because it sounded so similar to stuff that has actually happened before

    • Iminhere3000 [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      The source for the Rolling Stone article was trash. But hey it made people on here hoot and holler for the death of rednecks, so the article accomplished it's goal anyway

        • mr_world [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          They got into an argument with someone over people laughing at dying chuds on horsepaste. They tried the whole "it's actually anti-worker to laugh at at chuds" thing. That was 10 days ago. Then they must have gotten into it in that thread for the article. But that thread was removed for misinformation and we already had a debrief thread for it that's still up. So the whole story here is that OP saw some posts they didn't like, got mad, and is now wanting an apology.

      • Straight_Depth [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah, I was only vaguely aware of the yahoo article being linked here, but hey, still more honest journalistic practice than anything shat out by the Times and co.

  • mr_world [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    It's true, misinformation is the moral crisis of our time. If only the information weren't mised, we could have a better world. smdh.

    • LilComrade [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      I miss the days when everything i read and watched on tv was 100% true smdh my head :blob-no-thoughts:

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      Probably because it sounded similar to the news coming out of Florida that a gunshot victim waited 6 days for hospital treatment due to full ICUs, which is true. The writers of the fake article about Oklahoma definitely took advantage of that.

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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    3 years ago

    Haha fuck yes, when I heard it I immediately labeled it under "rumor-mill tweetor post", ya boy's instincts are still sharp as glass :spongebob-party: