• plinky [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    Is the world ready to stfu out of iraq or west bank?

      • edge [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        So if Russia installs a new government in Ukraine and that new government allowed the Russian army to be there, would that be ok?

          • Alaskaball [comrade/them]M
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            11 months ago

            The previous government had running infrastructure, hospitals, electricity, clean water, etc. before the American regime bombed them and plunged the region into chaos so as to install puppet governments that allowed the U.S regime to pillage their resources and inflate the stock portfolios of the war criminals that run the American regime.

            Zero justification for supporting the actions of the American terrorist regime.

              • emizeko [they/them]
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                11 months ago

                praising of a genocidal dictator

                um nobody here is praising Joe Biden

                  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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                    11 months ago

                    Who was Saddam's top allies during the Anfal campaign? Who gave him the gas? Like all neocon propagandists you're completely full of shit and yet you have the fuckin gall to open your filthy mouth and talk about genocidal dictator this and that after what the US did to Iraq, go fuck yourself shitlib

                  • Alaskaball [comrade/them]M
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                    11 months ago

                    Right, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden's bullets, bombs, and depleted uranium thatve killed and displaced millions of Iraqi citizens are obviously much better.

                    Isn't worshipping the lesser of two evils you liberal demons whole political ideology?

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                      • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
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                        11 months ago

                        The American autocrats you worship did an order of magnitude more evil than Sadam ever could.

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              • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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                11 months ago

                You're really conflating seething hatred for America destroying a country with praise for Saddam Hussein? You reactionaries really can't see in anything beyond binary terms, can you?

                Saddam was fucking atrocious, but Iraq had working infrastructure under him (and his rise to power was aided by the US, so he was another pawn)

                They had that torn apart courtesy of America and are only just building back

                • Ideology [she/her]
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                  11 months ago

                  Sorry, we're all out of empathy here in the west. Try getting better bootstraps, thirdworlders.

                • jack55555@lemmy.ml
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                  11 months ago

                  No I got no love for what the US and the allies did to Iraq, but what good is the the running water they had for the dead Kurds? From the start, my argument was they are better off now. Not that they are in paradise now.

                  • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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                    11 months ago

                    Better off how? I pointed out their power grid is shit, their water table is contaminated, their buildings are bombed out, and everything but their oil has been privatized. Materially, they're fucked 3 ways to Sunday.

                    If you're trying to still make digs about 'supporting Saddam killing Kurds' or w/e, I'll point out again that Saddam had the full backing of the US until Kuwait

                    And you can get rid of people like him without invading the country and tearing it asunder

                    • Ideology [she/her]
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                      11 months ago

                      It's almost like european powers pit ethnic groups against eachother to destabilize resource-rich regions.

                  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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                    11 months ago

                    The Americans did not care about the people Saddam killed, and they killed millions more Iraqis then he ever did, you're a delusional racist and a war worshiping dipshit

                    • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                      11 months ago

                      It's true, the number of times i heard "glass the middle east" as a child comprehensively destroyed for me the idea of america as a force for anything good, and of americans as an aggregate being anything but a swarm of stupid bloodthirsty assholes once they get activated.

                      I have hope for the individuals, but as a collective identity? No more American, the world does not need American.

                  • Ideology [she/her]
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                    11 months ago

                    my argument was they are better off now.

                    According to who?

                    • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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                      11 months ago

                      Apparently this bozo's feelings

                      Motherfucker is acting like all libs, like this is some marvel movie shit to them where after the US got Saddam, all the 'good guys' stood on top of a building in downtown Baghdad at night and said 'We have hope now' and then the credits rolled

                      They forgot this is real life

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                      • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
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                        11 months ago

                        The dead Kurds are better off now? Did you use a medium to survey them?

                      • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]
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                        11 months ago

                        The Kurds killed with chemical weapon technology supplied by the US? The killings that the US tried to frame Iran for? After which the US refused to sanction Iraq and continued to provide dual-use technology to Iraq.

                        Those dead Kurds?

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                    • Sephitard9001 [he/him]
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                      11 months ago

                      Jan 6th is America's Libya moment, and China should missile strike the US airforce and establish a no-fly zone over North America to insure the U.S. regime can't kill their insurgents

                  • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                    11 months ago

                    Then why are you fucking defending their presence there like five minutes ago?

                  • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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                    11 months ago

                    They don't have functional infrastructure 20 years after the war and they did under Saddam. You really think the US was interested in anything besides cannibalizing the country for resources?

                    edit: Oh yeah, they were interested in one other thing: handing lucrative ”rebuilding” contracts to corporations like Halliburton with direct ties to the Bush admin.

              • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                11 months ago

                Hey quick question, what's worse: opposing the US empire, or being the US empire and giving Saddam Hussein chemical weapons to attack Iran?

              • AOCapitulator [they/them, she/her]
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                11 months ago

                What the fuck? There isn’t a single word of praise for any thing or anyone in that comment are you this fucking delusional???

              • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                11 months ago

                Now the praising of a genocidal

                What your feelings on the state of Israel?

              • Sephitard9001 [he/him]
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                11 months ago

                "oh shid oh fuck I wandered outside my echo chamber oh shiiiiiiiii"

              • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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                11 months ago

                I'm with you. It's not fair to make judgments based on the material reality of people's lives. You clearly said the word dictator, which means bad guy from an exotic locale. You won the argument. What are all these commies talking about?

              • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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                11 months ago

                The Iraq war and the aftermath probably killed more Iraqis than Saddam's entire reign.

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              • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
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                11 months ago

                Bitch, you're the one saying the genocidal slaughter and immiseration of millions of Iraqis is a good thing.

          • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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            11 months ago

            Iraq's power grid took until 2008 to return to the capacity it could generate prior to the first Gulf War over a decade and a half prior where the US needlessly destroyed their power grid, and it still can't meet demand in the summer

            It has depleted uranium in it's groundwater from American munitions

            It had ISIS/ISIL attack it

            Millions were displaced, hundreds of thousands were killed, and it got privatized into oblivion by IMF/World bank loans with greedy contractors like Halliburton licking their chops

            I'm pretty sure it is much worse then it was pre American involvement

          • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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            11 months ago

            There's plenty of shitty government around the world, including a bunch the US actively supports. It doesn't give the US the right to kick the door down and subject the people there to more instability and violence to further their geopolitical goals under the guise of "humanitarianism".

          • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
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            11 months ago

            So if Russia installs a regime better than the current one, their invasion is ok then?

            Also lol at not knowing the USA installed the Iraqi government.

      • egg1918 [she/her]
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        11 months ago

        Is the American army allowed to be in Syria by the Syrian government too?

          • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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            11 months ago

            The topic is foreign interventions, Syria is about as relevant to that topic as you can get. You know this, you are intentionally avoiding engaging with his question cuz you know you don't have an answer that won't come off as a massive fucking stretch.

              • Awoo [she/her]
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                11 months ago

                I'm sorry you think Iraq was worse off before the US and allies came in and murdered 2million people? Are you real?

                You are a genuine monster.

                • CrimsonSage [any]
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                  11 months ago

                  Remember when America starved and killed the children if Iraq to the number of a hundred million at least with sanctions? Pepperidge farm remembers.

                  Also fun fact, Iraqis born in the 90's are significantly more likely to die of preventable causes and diseases, covid, than other people because if the permanent damage the sanctions caused to their development.

                • Adkml [he/him]
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                  11 months ago

                  When America does it yes.

                  This is what liberals actually believe.

              • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                11 months ago

                Damn I kinda wish I could have seen what this jackass commented before the mods took it down

          • TheWorldSpins [any, undecided]
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            11 months ago

            You claim to want to stay on topic, but bring up people like "Tom" and "John". Curious!

            (No well guy emoji? Wtf?)

      • plinky [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        Which they installed?

        Like compare and contrast three events:

        Maidan - january 6 in usa

        Syrian civil war - ukraine civil war

        Invasion of ukraine - invasion of sector gaza

        Do the internal logic of events is similar? Which ones gets sanctioned, and which ones gets ignored?

      • Vampire [any]
        hexagon
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        11 months ago

        The American army is allowed to be there by the Iraqi government?

        That is such a lie

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        11 months ago

        https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/1/5/iraqi-parliament-calls-for-expulsion-of-foreign-troops

        lol

        Liberals are constantly out of date on the most basic of information if it's anything to outside of american borders. By literal years.

        • Adkml [he/him]
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          11 months ago

          Msnbc and colbert didn't include that in their explanation of why every country in the world other than America is wrong so liberals wouldn't know about it.

            • Adkml [he/him]
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              11 months ago

              He at least shits on dems for comedic effect which I realize is still useless but makes him 10x better than people pretending Kamela is effective and popular.