Social darwinism is both the belief that society has an imperative to root out and cast out "losers" and let them die, and the attempt to implement those beliefs.
Eugenics is that belief applied on the literal genetic level.
This is neither of those. Society did not at any point impel or encourage these people to take horse dewormer and destroy their balls. They did it out of free choice entirely of their own accord. You're flat out wrong.
Social darwinism is both the belief that society has an imperative to root out and cast out “losers” and let them die, and the attempt to implement those beliefs.
This idea that social darwinism only refers to applied ideas is extremely stupid. You can hold social darwinist ideas without being Hitler or some shit.
The idea that dumb people removing themselves from the gene pool being an example of darwinism is pseudoscience. Again, I'm begging you to crack open a book or at least read up social darwinism and darwinism on Wikipedia. It's fucking insane to see this type of garbage on a leftist forum.
How is it not Darwinism? Anything that results in you being removed from the gene pool is doing a Darwinism.
I am with @Mrtryfe here the amount of ignorance in this comment chain regarding Darwinism is alarming. If anything the argumentation is completely ridiculous with people bending themselves backward to justify Darwinism lol.
Like holy shit by the logic here if anything that "removes you from the gene pool" is Darwinism then driving a Tesla and having it crash instead of taking the likely inexistent public transportation is Darwinism, being a poor African child starving to death is Darwinism, being an American eating fast food and sitting on a desk all day is also Darwinism. Being a poor muslim getting a drone missile to the face? You guessed it.
The fact we are adding being a stupid chud who is sterilizing himself because he is being drawn into an anti-intellectual death cult to the list doesn't make the argument any more sound.
but I can’t discount individual intelligence coming into play when you’re willing consuming horse dewormer
How are you defining intelligence here? Down to the specific viewpoint of them consuming ivermectin? Societal effects are much easier to get a handle on, so why are we speculating on something neither you and I could answer, unless we're getting really into the weeds?
Like, the wider hegemonic society is literally trying to jab you, not convince you to consume horse dewormer.
Getting a vaccine is accepted as hegemonic in the US, or even worldwide? That's news to me. Hell, there are some people getting vaccinated despite genuinely not wanting to, for various reasons.
This is neither of those. Society did not at any point impel or encourage these people to take horse dewormer and destroy their balls. They did it out of free choice entirely of their own accord. You’re flat out wrong.
What is your definition of society? Because it seems you are equating society with government.
These chuds are all being influenced by social media, peer pressure from their social groups(online and IRL) and probably family members. To me that easily qualifies as social encouragement. To say they are doing it out of "free will" is just a lib take. People will do crazy shit things in order to remain part of a group and the consequences means there is very little actual choice here unless you think people willingly choose to suffer on purpose.
They have the resources. This isn't people with low intelligence. It's people so committed to their political ideology they're willing to destroy their liver.
ideology poisoning should get a label: might be harmful to your liver or drastically increase your chance of lead poisoning when the revolution comes :malcolm-checks:
Yeah. If anything we're lucking out that their ideology is going in such a self-destructive direction. Things would have been a lot easier for the anti-fascist resistance if a bunch of Nazis had overdosed on neurotoxins before shit got real.
More of them going now = less innocent lives lost later. I know that's harsh, but if they were willing to do this shit over being asked to wear a mask and get a vaccine... imagine what they'd do if they were asked to redistribute wealth and give up systemic white privilege.
although to be fair ideology poisoning is not exclusive to nazis, in the US of K the relentless double whammy of personal responsibility (you are responsible for your own health and yours alone) and false consciousness (can't trust the media or state but can random snake oil salesman) makes even non :fash-mad: into horse med enjoyers
It's some cringe irony poisoning from the "darwin award" meme that boomers / gen x loved. Not surprised its showed up in response to chuds picking up death cult behavior. Also not surprised people are pushing back on it. :shrug-outta-hecks:
I guess I get it if its shorthand for "they won't be able to raise kids they can indoctrinate?" but that also totally forgets adoption is a thing... I don't know. There are better ways to dunk on fash chugging dewormer to own us.
At least there's some recognition on your end that there's a social order at play here, driving these choices. Some of the other responses in this thread are just outright reactionary
Doing dumb things and then not being able to pass down genes as a consequence is normal evolution at work here.
Didn't know this site had people that actually believed in social darwinism
It's not social darwinism, it's just literally darwinism.
No it isn't, crack open a fucking book
Social darwinism is both the belief that society has an imperative to root out and cast out "losers" and let them die, and the attempt to implement those beliefs.
Eugenics is that belief applied on the literal genetic level.
This is neither of those. Society did not at any point impel or encourage these people to take horse dewormer and destroy their balls. They did it out of free choice entirely of their own accord. You're flat out wrong.
This idea that social darwinism only refers to applied ideas is extremely stupid. You can hold social darwinist ideas without being Hitler or some shit.
The idea that dumb people removing themselves from the gene pool being an example of darwinism is pseudoscience. Again, I'm begging you to crack open a book or at least read up social darwinism and darwinism on Wikipedia. It's fucking insane to see this type of garbage on a leftist forum.
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I am with @Mrtryfe here the amount of ignorance in this comment chain regarding Darwinism is alarming. If anything the argumentation is completely ridiculous with people bending themselves backward to justify Darwinism lol.
Like holy shit by the logic here if anything that "removes you from the gene pool" is Darwinism then driving a Tesla and having it crash instead of taking the likely inexistent public transportation is Darwinism, being a poor African child starving to death is Darwinism, being an American eating fast food and sitting on a desk all day is also Darwinism. Being a poor muslim getting a drone missile to the face? You guessed it.
The fact we are adding being a stupid chud who is sterilizing himself because he is being drawn into an anti-intellectual death cult to the list doesn't make the argument any more sound.
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I mean, other companies do make cars that won't drive themselves into a cartoon tunnel painted on a wall.
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How are you defining intelligence here? Down to the specific viewpoint of them consuming ivermectin? Societal effects are much easier to get a handle on, so why are we speculating on something neither you and I could answer, unless we're getting really into the weeds?
Getting a vaccine is accepted as hegemonic in the US, or even worldwide? That's news to me. Hell, there are some people getting vaccinated despite genuinely not wanting to, for various reasons.
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What is your definition of society? Because it seems you are equating society with government. These chuds are all being influenced by social media, peer pressure from their social groups(online and IRL) and probably family members. To me that easily qualifies as social encouragement. To say they are doing it out of "free will" is just a lib take. People will do crazy shit things in order to remain part of a group and the consequences means there is very little actual choice here unless you think people willingly choose to suffer on purpose.
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Darwin Award-ism
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They have the resources. This isn't people with low intelligence. It's people so committed to their political ideology they're willing to destroy their liver.
ideology poisoning should get a label: might be harmful to your liver or drastically increase your chance of lead poisoning when the revolution comes :malcolm-checks:
Doomer bloomer take:
Yeah. If anything we're lucking out that their ideology is going in such a self-destructive direction. Things would have been a lot easier for the anti-fascist resistance if a bunch of Nazis had overdosed on neurotoxins before shit got real.
More of them going now = less innocent lives lost later. I know that's harsh, but if they were willing to do this shit over being asked to wear a mask and get a vaccine... imagine what they'd do if they were asked to redistribute wealth and give up systemic white privilege.
although to be fair ideology poisoning is not exclusive to nazis, in the US of K the relentless double whammy of personal responsibility (you are responsible for your own health and yours alone) and false consciousness (can't trust the media or state but can random snake oil salesman) makes even non :fash-mad: into horse med enjoyers
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It's some cringe irony poisoning from the "darwin award" meme that boomers / gen x loved. Not surprised its showed up in response to chuds picking up death cult behavior. Also not surprised people are pushing back on it. :shrug-outta-hecks:
I guess I get it if its shorthand for "they won't be able to raise kids they can indoctrinate?" but that also totally forgets adoption is a thing... I don't know. There are better ways to dunk on fash chugging dewormer to own us.
Go ahead and rope millennials in there too.
At least there's some recognition on your end that there's a social order at play here, driving these choices. Some of the other responses in this thread are just outright reactionary
I'm not reading any of whatever dumbass struggle session this caused. Stop being nerds.
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