:xi-clap: China haters aren't going to be able to cope

Archive: https://archive.is/2021.09.20-203459/https://www.wsj.com/articles/xi-jinping-aims-to-rein-in-chinese-capitalism-hew-to-maos-socialist-vision-11632150725?mod=flipboard

  • please_dont [he/him]
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    “Xi does think he’s moving to a new kind of system that doesn’t exist anywhere in the world,” said Barry Naughton, a China economy expert at the University of California, San Diego. “I call it a government-steered economy.”

    Xi, Deng etc:

    -"We are communists. Here are our openly stated long term socialist goals and the marxist reasoning and analysis for the choices and policies that have been enacted in the last 40 years. Here are tens of thousands of pages repeating in the most simple terms that Capital isnt in charge of China and that reform and oppening up is and was a means and not a trend towrads complete capitalist restoration. Its the only and most successfull means (for the conditions of China) towards building what we judged as necessary material, geopolitical and technological base and requirements to move beyond it and towards a socialist and secure from outside forces future. It isnt nearly done yet but we have progressed enough that we can start pulling back on some stuff and reign on capital power and corruption"

    "Western expert on Chinese economy" when Xi takes actions completely in line with those plans that rhetoric , ideology and analysis:

    -"OMG this is a totally new system dictator Xi's is building towards . Who could have seen it coming really?. I CALL IT -random words sticked together instead of basic material and marxist analysis-

    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      “I call it a government-steered economy.”

      lmao westoids too scared to say DoTP

      or they could just call it SWCC

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        SWCC isn't some secret enigmatic plan either. It's a very clearly documented and consistently referenced set of tenants that Xi has been very closely adhering to. There's a reason China just kinda does things and totally changes how their system works seemingly overnight. As the conditions are met for new phases, they're almost immediately rolled out because the plans have been in place for a long time and have been revised and decided on by the party and the workers it represents.

      • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        I wouldn't describe the Chinese system a dictatorship of the proletariat, but compared to the shit we have here it's close enough.

    • space_comrade [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I call it a government-steered economy

      Damn I wish there was a word for this, it's kind of a mouthful. Really strange how nobody thought of a name yet.

      • bananon [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Sorry sweaty that’s called state capitalism and that makes Xi basically Hitler 💅

      • pooh [she/her, love/loves]
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        3 years ago

        In China's case I think it will also involve more advanced economic planning and use of AI. Their AI plan is pretty interesting if anyone here hasn't seen it: https://archive.is/ybreT

  • wombat [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry

  • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    :wojak-nooo: BUT CHINA CAPITOLEST MORE THAN AMERICUH, 600,000,00,0000,0-00 TANMANSQUARBS!:wojak-nooo:

  • please_dont [he/him]
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    A few months later, when the Chinese Communist party celebrated its centenary on July 1, Mr. Xi donned a Mao suit and stood behind a podium adorned with a hammer and sickle, pledging to stand for the people. After the speech, he sang along with “The Internationale” broadcast across Tiananmen Square. In China, the song, a feature of the socialist movement since the late 1800s, has long symbolized a declaration of war by the working class on capitalism. Such gestures, once dismissed as political stagecraft, are being taken more seriously by China watchers as it becomes evident Mr. Xi is more ideologically driven than his immediate predecessors.

    oh no, not I D E O L O G I C A L Y D R I V E N

    Industries that Mr. Xi views as being led astray by a capitalist spirit, including not only tech but also after-school tutoring, digital gaming and entertainment, are bearing the immediate brunt.A policy aimed at turning private education companies into nonprofit entities all but killed New Oriental Education & Technology Group Inc., which has provided English lessons to generations of students studying abroad. Its shares have plunged about 90% this year. Founder Yu Minhong, nicknamed “Godfather of English Training” in China, broke into tears during a recent company meeting, according to an employee. “It’s devastating to him, and to all of us,” the employee said

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/881/867/6f6.jpg

    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      oh no, not I D E O L O G I C A L Y D R I V E N

      oh no so horrible to be driven by principles, unlike us, I am very smart :big-cool:

      • cresspacito [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        As a Western world leader I prefer to rule by whim alone, I find the guidance of ideology tends to cloud my judgement. I think a rigid set of ideals and ethics would really get in the way of all the money I get for being corrupt.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      how much you wanna bet this reporter has never given a shit about any of the people who have "broken into tears" being tortured by anitcommunist US-backed Central American death squads

    • richietozier4 [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Founder Yu Minhong, nicknamed “Godfather of English Training” in China, broke into tears during a recent company meeting, according to an employee. “It’s devastating to him, and to all of us,” the employee said

      Imagine if Biden’s policies drove Bezos to tears. God, I wish that was us

  • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Mr. Xi isn’t planning to eradicate market forces, the Journal examination indicates. But he appears to want a state in which the party does more to steer flows of money, sets tighter parameters for entrepreneurs and investors and their ability to make profits, and exercises even more control over the economy than now. In essence, this suggests that he aims to rewrite the rules of business in what could someday be the world’s biggest economy.

    lmao like this is some fresh analysis and not the obvious intent which has been stated multiple times

      • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        “titoism was bad”

        I gotta say, not a take I see super often. Taking loans from the IMF is bad, though, but to my understanding that was mostly after Tito's time.

        • cokedupchavez [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          market socialism inevitably causes a debt crisis. distributing shares means loss of capital which means deficit and borrowing. unless you'd argue that everybody will be diligently saving surplus which is a tragedy of the commons delusions about as realistic as governments steering us under the climate goals

          • bananon [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            :kermit-pain: imma be real with you chief. I don’t know what the fuck Tito believed in, but he threw fascists in the Cuck Pit so he’s A-OK with me :big-cool:

          • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            I gotta be honest, I'm not familiar with the specifics of Tito's time, so I'm not qualified to comment much. I was just pointing out that it's not like people are running around ripping on Tito, and those same people all turn around to post stuff like this.

            Also, based on my limited understanding of Yugoslavia, it didn't have all that much in common with modern China.

      • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        I'm not, it's like that with every topic. Constant recalibration to somehow justify the "white good other bad" which underpins every ideology that they claim to follow, but are usually too dishonest too say out loud.

        hence the "WTF I LOVE ___ NOW" meme