:maybe-later-kiddo: Childhood is agreeing with Dr. Bashir, adulthood is realizing Section 31 did nothing wrong, sweetie. They're the Hard Men Making Hard Choices™, the Rough Men Standing Ready To Do Violence™ that keep unpatriotic libcuck soyboys like Bashir safe from the barbarian alien hordes. You may not like them, but even you must admit the Federation needs them to survive. The only thing that can stop the bad guys are our own bad guys who don't play by any rules. Sorry kiddo, that's how the real world works.

:le-pol-face: What do you mean Section 31 aren't necessary? What do you mean their schemes constantly blow back and put the Federation in greater jeopardy than if they had just not done anything in the first place? No, they're efficient! They do the things the civilian government is too weak to do! If you think otherwise you're just an ignorant naive soyboy who thinks we can just be nice and get along with everyone!

:wojak-nooo: Stop laughing at them! They're cool! They dress in badass black uniforms and nobody gets to tell them what to do! They go on secret missions! They're tier one operators! How can you not think tier one operators are cool!?!? Come on, O P E R A T O R S!

  • s0ciety [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Lmao, are there really people out there who think Section 31 is good?

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      If God exists and this universe is actualy any good we might get a good RLM mini-review out of that show and that is as close as you should get to watching any Kurtzman shit.

        • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          80% of the hate is because Lower Decks was the name of a TNG episode where the show finaly shows the average day of the lower ranked officers so it was already risky to literally use the same name. It was realy well received and over time people were always hoping that this could be a great concept for a new Trek show.

          I haven't seen LD so I don't doubt it is better than Picard/Discovery but the problem is that what we got certainly didn't match anyone's hopes and expectations(worst thing you can do to an old fandom is to "subvert their expectations") and it probably kills the concept for the foreseeable future.

          • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            That is literally the concept for the series. It's based off that episode and the main characters are ensigns.

    • MeatfuckerDidNothing [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Oh God. Their immediate response to emperor Georgou should have been to toss her into a max security therapists office and community farm, not to let her captain a ship and do war crimes

      • WeedReference420 [he/him, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Agreed, also Starfleet allowing Section 31 agents in black leather uniforms to walk around the ship interfering with shit because why not.

  • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    this post would be different had actual willem dafoe played the 31 guy instead of discount willem dafoe :theory-gary:

  • Tofu_Lewis [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The wild thing is that Section 31 literally planned a genocidal biological campaign. ... That's what's great about DS9, it shows FALGSC communists compromising on their ideals to win a war and reveals the psychological toll it takes on them.

    It also shows how having an independent security service may seem appealing - slick suits, super brain shit - but ultimately, the tool undermines everything the project has accomplished.

    EDIT: If your ideology is sound, the community should be all the intelligence service you need.

    EDIT to the EDIT: The above edit is operating under the assumption that global communism has been achieved - no state, no intelligence service.

    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      EDIT: If your ideology is sound, the community should be all the intelligence service you need.

      I'm not sure about this take. Intelligence is necessary - look at Cuba and the US. They've had several double agents in CIA operations that helped foil them, saving Cuban lives and possibly the revolution.

      You definitely don't want an intelligence agency operating independently, though. That can lead to some whack shit.

      • Tofu_Lewis [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah you're right - that take is premised on a "global communism achieved" kinda scenario.

        • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Yeah, that's fair. Global communism means no state, so no intelligence agencies is completely consistent.

  • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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    3 years ago

    The episode where bashir entered the sector thirty-one guy's mind was one of the coolest episodes. I love how important his friendship with O'brien was in that particular episode.