From good old r/EuropeanSocialists. What a shithole. https://www.reddit.com/r/EuropeanSocialists/comments/103cze7/imperialism/j2ymj23/
i will say paying women in 3rd world countries to be surrogates is far too common and fucked up
Love it when queer rights checklists include commercial surrogacy as something we should uncritically want lmao
I just want to be able to joke about my breeding kink and how I want to breed my man wife, I dont want to have children, i've had a vasectomy
I told the doctor I was doing my part to destroy white supremacy
There's also altruistic surrogacy without a financial incentive for the surrogate, and there's cis lesbian couples where one woman is the surrogate for the other. In my country, both of these options are illegal and that situation actually requires that queer people interested have the procedure done abroad. Framing the issue as "queer rights checklists include uncritically supporting commercial surrogacy", in a thread about a post making clear homophobic dog whistles about "gay people having to rely on others to produce babies", comes off as more than a little bit sus.
cuba stays winning, a family can get legally recognized as two gay fathers and two gay mothers
lowkey i feel like there should be a "dating" service for this so you dont need to go to a sperm bank and can have a bigger safety net for your kids
Thanks comrade, this is a welcome perspective. Not being queer myself, it's a topic I'm not well educated in.
Oh sorry about that. You're right, in the context of the post this is not really an appropriate place to entertain the topic. But let me be clear that I support altruistic surrogacy and think the redditor should be beaten to death with a stick. Well, figuratively at least.
The most fucked up version of this is where the surrogate mother (i.e. the mother) decides to keep her child in the end and the rich Westoids have a cry on the local news about how hard done they are.
Even non-exploitative gestational surrogacy weirds me out. Is it queer men trying to seem more "valid" in a heteronormative world that sees the idea of children as more genetic than sociological? If I marry the same sex when I'm older I'm adopting without question, fuck bougie white gays and their fashy bloodline obsession (cough
)Not having a blood connection with your kid does not make you any less their "real" parent. If you feel any different or think sharing their blood will strengthen your bond pls don't have kids because it's giving eugenics
I mean yes America does have a history of destroying countries and then opening up an adoption market there to profit off of the destruction. If this person was capable of reason, they would be shocked to hear that this has mostly been for the benefit of straight Americans, with some gays sprinkled in only recently.
the anglosphere doesn't bother with definitions, words just exist as a vibe. That's why we keep nicking phrases from other languages, we gotta import encoded meaning from the French.
Explains half the arguments I had with English speakers online
Seriously, how are these people "socialists"?
I can certainly believe that they're "European," at the very least...
I think "European" is being used by them to replace "national" in a project that combines patsoc vibes with the "european socialist" re-framing of national socialism.
Helps that socialism is very popular and you can catch a lot of people that signal boost your project.
bonus points for confusing people who think the nordic states are socialist
Seriously, how are these people "socialists"?
Look at this thread, some people here immediately jump to the opportunity to support them.
Frankly, I'm not surprised; ML spaces can sometimes be echo-chamber-y and this contributes to people overlooking PatSocs and toxicity and trolls.
IMHO.
Every single Asian person I've known who was adopted by white people have had deep and fucked up self-hate issues so I personally think there is something deeply problematic with international adoptions on a systematic level.
Transracial adoptions can be fucked specifically because of preexisting racial disparities. Imagine having kids at school call you the n word and “cotton picker” all day and when you tell your white parents, their advice is that bullies are looking for attention, so you should ignore them.
I had a similar situation (obviously with different racial slurs) and my first generation immigrant parents gave me the same advice. I love my parents and they were doing their best, but some people just aren't equipped to understand the racial dynamics of a Westoid school.
from my experience, most asians who grew up in america have those issues too thanks to the overwhelming presence of white supremacy in american society
Being
and living in the west must drive people insane. I'll be eternally grateful that my ancestors decided not to migrate to naziland.
"European" is used as a dogwhistle by euro-fascists in my opinion. Having had experience with the crew running this I think they're feds or fash.
Yeah basically a stand in for "national" and a sprinkling of patsoc vibes to heavily confuse.
you know what we call people who can't produce their own insulin?
Jehovah's Witnesses stay winning
I've seen multiple examples of the most active mod in that sub literally doing the "the world is run by a jewish cabal" thing.
Absolute fucking joke.
Ah yes, I had already forgotten about that shithole. It's basically
but European.If a region loots the rest of the world for 4 centuries and then claims it is socialist (the good kind) but they don't return any of the fruits of said four centuries of looting AND try to maintain an exclusionary wall between ethnic or national in-groups and out-groups, do they lose the "imperialist" label?
(not to take any of this framing at face value, bleh)
I think surrogacy or adoption from the global south from any sexuality is bad, but it's safe to assume this person is homophobic. This is the type of shit that subreddit upvotes:
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