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  • SolidaritySplodarity [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Your brain will turn to goo if you try it. You'll also go broke(r).

    There are also good arguments about charity vs. organized mutual aid, where the former supports the current systemic sociopathy as a capitalism safety net while the latter at least screams, "capitalism is why we have to do this, end it now." This isn't to say that helping people is bad, but you should understand that it won't end the current system and can even prolong it.

  • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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    3 years ago

    Don’t we have a moral imperative to do literally everything we can? How do we have time for idle things?

    This is an example of the infection of christian fundamentalist capitalist neoliberal conceptions guilt and virtue and how weve all been brainwashed into these forms of thinking. Idleness is demonized, productivity and relentless work, sacrifice, martyrdom, is seen as the highest virtue. All of this is to deal with the perceived guilt of being born a citizen of the imperial core, to purify oneself of all original sin.

    This is a mind prison that capital and the elite have constructed over the course of modernity. Slave morality.

    The way I see it, god is dead and anyone who tries to force upon us a moral system is doing so for their own cynical ends. There is no higher god who will punish us for doing "wrong", and all these bad feelings were taught, so I try to make an effort not to worry about this, to get over oneself, as Matt Christman puts it. Were all just a bunch of ants on a tiny rock hurtling through the void in the grand scale of things. This insignificance is peaceful.

    I have no idea what your situation is or what prompted you to ask this so I can only offer my thoughts, please take it with a heap of salt if you find it does not help.

    • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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      3 years ago

      To add to this, even if we all individually went beyond human and worked 24/7 to..... do whatever it is that "helps" i suppose, then still nothing would improve on a substantive level globally. This is because capital has transcended the individual realm of control, even among the ultra rich lizardpeople, and would require a shift in socioeconomic system to fully "correct", something that will come from aligning ones self interests with those of others on a large scale.

        • Mardoniush [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          Which was kind of the point of "A personal relationship with god" initially, before the weirdos got hold of it and used to create banker Jesus who is your best pal. To get away from the idea of God as a machine for treats and towards god as a person interacted via a social and personal framework.

  • Owl [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    People who spend every waking moment attempting to help others burn out and stop. This is an observable fact.

    Part of rationality is noticing when you reason yourself into a position that conflicts with observable reality, then backing up and letting reality win.

    In this case the problem is thinking of yourself as a wantless needless indefatigable automata that executes your will, instead of as a person. We don't have wantless needless automatas to go do the things we want. Any proposal that relies on them is just as irrelevant as one that relies on sci fi matter replicators.

  • aaro [they/them, she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Help yourself before you can help others. I struggle with this a lot too, but we humans aren't productivity automatons. That's wishful thinking at best and ingrained capitalist propaganda in the realistic case.

    Think about oxygen masks on airplanes. They tell you to put on your own mask before you assist others, even disabled people and children. That's very intentional, and it's because you can't help others if you don't even have what you need.

    The best revolutionary activities are the ones where we can all help each other while helping ourselves :Care-Comrade:

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Firstly, idle things are fun, and we're helping people so their lives can be more fun. Yes, you're sitting in riches, so was Engles and you bet he took the time to enjoy the privilege he had, even while devoting his life to the cause.

    Heck Jenny was a no-shit noblewoman, and while she suffered severe privation by staying with Marx, she also wasn't beyond luxuries when they were stable financially.

    Finally, Lenin points out that those in states of relative comfort but strong ideological convictions are the core of the Vanguard.

    Most workers in lower strata have no time and no energy to militantly organise to the level of a professional revolutionary. (Though they often have substantial contributions to all levels of action)

    Where possible, workers and the marginalised should be aggressively funded by the party so that they can have the time they need and take cadre positions. But this is limited, and even in developed economies where workers have better conditions, it's the upper comfortable strata of the Proletariat that have the capabilities to be most radical and develop theory and praxis.

    (This incidentally is one reason the Mass Line is such a good tool, it forces the lefty tech bros to touch grass)

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        Because our goal isn't "everyone joins communism, works 23 hours a day on flattening every possible gradation of oppression", it's "Mankind at peace with itself, with all the comforts we can provide as a civilisation." Note that all communist states didn't stop self-development to help the nearest less-developed state, they did both.

        What you're asking is a bit like "Shouldn't a bodhisattva stop all self-enlightenment instead of just the last step and take on as much suffering as possible as long as it reduces others suffering?" The answer is no, that's neither the goal nor the path and it ultimately increases suffering.

        The correct way is getting people to your level while still living your life with joy and fun, not reducing yourself to barracks communism out of a self flagellatory impulse. It doesn't help, it isn't even "according to your ability." because we have hard problems to solve and it's easier to solve them at a day spa.

  • Quimby [any, any]
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    3 years ago

    Not sure how old you are, but you should definitely take a couple college philosophy courses if you can. This is the sort of thing you might well spend several weeks talking about.

    One of the most well known texts on the topic is The Importance of What We Care About, which is a collection of 13 famous essays about moral responsibility, including the titular one. You should definitely also read Peter Singer, though it's hard to say exactly where to start. I would probably say Practical Ethics, then The Most Good You Can Do, then The Life You Can Save.

    The shorter answer is that I've personally adopted a philosophy (attributed to the Dalai Lama) of essentially "do the best thing you can in each situation you come across in life." In other words, I believe I have a moral imperative to help those I encounter, to treat everyone with kindness, and to make moral choices each time I am faced with a situation, but I do not believe that I have a moral obligation to actively seek out problems and solve them. I do go out of my way to help people I wouldn't have otherwise encountered, but I choose to do so because I want to help, rather than because I have a moral imperative to do so.

    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      attributed to the Dalai Lama

      :xi-reactionary-spotted: (sorry, joke had to be made)

  • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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    3 years ago

    If you are constantly destroying yourself for others, than the amount of suffering in the world is the same, if not worse. Do not prioritize your wants over others' needs, but do prioritize your own needs.

      • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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        3 years ago

        if you don't keep yourself happy enough to be stable, you will not be useful enough to really help anyone. Also, you getting ice cream or playing a video game on its own does not cause the suffering of hundreds and thousands of people. As a leftist, you should be organizing to destroy the systems that cause that suffering, not attacking yourself for working within that system. I can't call you out on this one too hard, I haven't really done my organizing. Also, if you develop yourself and your skills, you will be able to help more people than just throwing yourself at some project randomly, that's just adventurism.

  • Sphere [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    There's only so much of your time you can spend trying to help others before you start to degrade your ability to be helpful, IMO. It's like the oxygen mask on the airplane--you have to put yours on first before helping others get theirs on, or you could end up passing out in the process.

  • crime [she/her, any]
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    3 years ago

    Everyone's already given good answers, so to be flippant it's for the same reason on airplanes when you're told to put on your own oxygen mask before assisting others

  • MathVelazquez [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Aim for perfect, knowing that we are all flawed humans incapable of perfection. But we must always strive for better, because the alternative is too bleak.

      • MathVelazquez [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I didn't emphasize the "accept that we are all flawed humans" enough. We have limitations and we will run into those limitations if we burn the candle at both ends. Accepting your limitations is not an easy thing, accepting that the world is not dependent on you alone. Be aware of your flaws and learn to work them into your natural rhythm. For instance, I am absolutely worthless if I don't get some alone time every other day or so. I know I can't help people if I'm going full introvert and my every instinct is to hide from the world. I know that if I plot out that alone time, reserve some energy for myself, that I will be better feeling for the rest of the week.

        But it's up to you to decide where those lines are. If you don't know your flaws and weaknesses (as well as your strengths) you should find out more about yourself. I'm rambling here anyways, so if that doesn't all come off as coherent don't worry.

          • MathVelazquez [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            I think we have some things in common in that way. I get hyperfocused on something for a few days/weeks without a plan to enact anything. Like you said, there are some western chauvinism going on in our brains to make us say "everything depends on you! You must be actively working towards revolution at all time or otherwise you're a fake." Definitely some ingrained individualist nonsense. Personally, I know of a few activities that will help me "reset" when I get hyperfocused on something. And again, these are all just strategies to live with myself. There's not easy solution to brain worms, it just takes time and experience and an open mindset.

  • bigboopballs [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I'm not a fucking doctor and am not obligated to become one, so no.

  • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]
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    3 years ago

    I'm still waking up so I might come back to your direct question later and elaborate, but I feel as though a lot of people DO see their job as "helping people," regardless of what the job may be. Or at least, they try to justify it to themselves as such.

  • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Surprised I haven't seen anybody so far articulate an anti-imperialist answer.

    Because this moral imperative can be directed like a weapon by feeding one misinformation. If one lacks wisdom on imperialism, their moral imperative is worse than useless. Certain sections of the left wish to help Chinese people, we know where that mindset leads ultimately.

  • LeftistJerrySeinfeld [xey/xem]
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    3 years ago

    Something I heard from a comrade near me is that those people who contribute for a few hours or days are helpful, but those who devote their entire lives are true revolutionaries.

    We can devote our lives to the cause without spending every waking second working on it. Have faith in yourself and others. Don't be overly harsh and self destructive when it's not necessary