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Even if he isn't, it'd be pretty fucked up to ignore the possibility.
Look, I know he let people inspect his basement, but who's to say there's not another basement disguised underneath it?
Even if the basement child slaughterhouse deniers turn out to be right, they're still wrong for not believing it.
It's funny, because this logic only works in the opposite direction (IE if the US made up evidence of WMDs in Iraq, but there ended up being WMDs anyway, those doubting fabricated evidence would still have been correct to do so because it was fabricated).
This direction is just moralizing about doubting fabricated evidence of atrocities.
It's possible for something to be true even though lies were used to support it - if I make something up about apartheid, it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
It's impossible, though, for evidence which has been demonstated to be false to have been true - there were no WMDs, so any evidence of them was erroneous.
Also importantly: if evidence consistently turns out to be false, there's no good reason to believe that what it's being used to support is true.
Some people never seem to learn the lesson. The general public was wrong to believe Tonkin, but it didn't seem to matter. Same with WMDs and incubator babies. Again with Gaddafi's viagra squads.
Millions and millions dead so westerners could congratulate themselves over their imagined moral superiority. Absolutely no lesson learned. And so-called leftists aren't any better half the time.
The Nayirah testimony was testimony a girl gave regarding Iraqi actions after invading Kuwait, which included soldiers taking babies out of incubators and leaving them to die.
It helped justify the US intervening on the side of Kuwait, and it was a lie. She turned out to be the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador. This was over 10 years before WMDs.
A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not
love how these people will spam 1984 as an indictment against us, then literally act like the characters in the book.
Can't wait for the "My son is giving me up to the police, I'm so proud, AMA" farewell post.
There may not have been any WMDs in Iraq, but you're still a terrible person if you doubted the DoD before the invasion.
Boy I really do understand more and more every day why mao got so pissed about revisionist. These people are so fucking detrimental to any ostensibly left wing cause.
So is :funny-clown-hammer: on the payroll of the feds or what?
Why would the feds pay him for something he'll clearly do for free? Unless he threatens to become a tankie unless he's paid, lmao.
Unless he threatens to become a tankie unless he’s paid, lmao.
"Don't make me do this, don't make me say nice things about China!"
Yeah, heavy handed policing at times is apparent. But you can't rail against that while being in the US without confronting the blatantly obvious problems with it we also have. I would argue worse since it's been happening for far longer and for way more people.
Also, when someone is debunking false accusations of genocide and you fly in with "OK but the policing is a bit heavy handed"... IDK, maybe not the right time for that? I actually agree that the policing does seem heavy-handed, it's just not at all relevant in a discussion of "genocide".
Not saying that's what happened here, but it does sometimes happen.
Oh, I completely agree. Genocide and policing are world's apart. If it came off like I was trying to say something like "but but they're still bad" that wasn't my intent.
I was just going along with the whole shenanigans/discrimination part. What I meant was more that there's a reason media/ the state department has to escalate what is happening into something wildly worse than it is because the reality of the situation is rather mundane compared to the rest of the world and even our own country. And that it's especially rich for the US to condemn anyone for that when our current system has been going on for centuries, has effected way more people, and is way more violent.
Oh yeah, I wasn't pointing at you as an example of that or anything. Agreed 100%.
That to me remains the end all be all golden standard. Hell even if the Uygher genocide is real all these moralizing idiots are still wrong because our foreign policy in Palestine and Yemen proves we don't give a shit about the Uyghurs beyond how we can exploit them as a cynical political cudgel.
People will look at shit like this and still say China is like the USA.
Not just this, it's always the same map.
I think the original post was deleted, because I can't find it. Here's the SLS post of this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitLiberalsSay/comments/pikp5g/vaushite_logic/
Imagine being so housebroken. The Dodo should film these things as a sad dog video.
People still in the US border camps 50 years from now: thanks vodsh
Posting from the 101st Chairforce out of my office in Gitmo about how terrible Chinese prison camps are and how Cubans yearn for freedom.
They're getting bored with China, wonder what state department sourced horseshit they'll obsess over next? Hope it's the "plight" of South African crackerdom, so they'll stop wasting our time pretending to be leftists or even soclibs
And the western left will continue to go along with it until they die in nuclear fire claiming China struck first, yes.
It's just going to be bouncing back and forth between Indochina and Latin America. Nevermind South Africa, I haven't word one about the horrors of Iran in ages.
