Folks we are truly and utterly screwed

    • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      https://www.versobooks.com/books/3665-how-to-blow-up-a-pipeline preaching to the choir here, but this is a pretty cool book about how the pacifism of the climate movement is antiquated and ineffective. The scholar (and once protester) argues against harming people, but in favor of targeted property destruction of the tools of fossil fuel extraction.

      Fuckin feds ruin any fun when it comes to organizing that sort of thing, though. I think principled Cadre could lead moments of mass action towards spontaneous goals like this, though. When the inevitable next oil spill occurs, or heat wave happens, or whatever the event is that sparks protests, use it to get into a crowd and drum up support for specific property destruction. That's what I think is next and unable to be easily infiltrated by feds. 500 committed Cadre across the country operating from a principled place of agitating for property destruction during mass protests can cause serious damage to infrastructure and raise the confidence and militancy of a climate movement.

      • kingspooky [he/him, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        The scholar (and once protester) argues against harming people, but

        Ok so like I know electoralism bad and the dems would just find a new scapegoat but like... is there a good reason people like Manchin and Sinema shouldn't be [REMOVED]? Like... removed from being alive?
        If everyone who pulls this shit gets killed it seems like people would stop doing it, considering afaik it is driven solely by a profit motive.

        • BigLadKarlLiebknecht [he/him, comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          I think if politicians started dying as a proxy attack on the capital that sponsors them, then the reaction would be sharp and brutal.

          I’d keep an eye on what happens in the U.K. in the coming months after that Tory cumstain was stabbed today. More cops, more surveillance, less rights, backed by all political parties.

        • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]
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          3 years ago

          Morally? Of course not. But with where popular consciousness is at now that's likely to make them martyrs of liberalsm and backlash to the movement. As things get worse that may change what level of violence the general public is willing to tolerate - but that book was written as an intervention to the climate movement circa 2019. That's pre-covid, so maybe it's already a little out of date. I personally think oil-execs would be a target a plurality of Americans would understand violence against, but it's probably better to start with targeted property destruction tactically. Normalize real resistance to fossil fuel extraction before going for harming people.

          TO BE CLEAR. THIS IS AN ACADEMIC DISCUSSION AND I AM BY NO MEANS ADVOCATING FOR THE HARM OF ANY PERSON.

          • Vizuzia [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            Indeed, very academic, I'm putting this simulation in my next Minecraft education mod :big-cool:

        • SoyViking [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          What would happen if someone took out those genocidal ghouls? Would their replacements be any better? No, most certainly not. Would it terrorise other ghouls into acting responsibly and passing the necessary policies? No, not without the presence of a large militant movement willing and capable of doing the same to them. Would it make them into martyrs and alienate working class people from realistic climate policies? Probably, given the current ideological state of society. Would it result in good militant activists being killed or thrown in jail, thereby being rendered unable to contribute to the struggle? Yes, most likely.

        • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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          3 years ago

          it's very difficult to do, and would not have the effect you want it to have. These freaks fear nothing. They crave death. They want someone to release them from the hell they've built for everyone.

    • bort_simp_son [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      So, to any of the people that have read ‘Ministry For The Future’, when are we forming The Order of Kali?

      When 50,000,000 people die of a heatwave on the same day, apparently...