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MFW when Xi won’t let me work for him because I keep getting DWI’s
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i mean "praise the government" in green and "criticize the government" in red are there
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/16/chinas-orwellian-social-credit-score-isnt-real/
Could someone pls paste the full text? I can't see it :stalin-heart:
China’s sweeping, data-driven “social credit” initiative is sounding alarms. In a speech on Oct. 4, U.S. Vice President Mike Pence described it as “an Orwellian system premised on controlling virtually every facet of human life.” But there’s a small problem. The system doesn’t actually exist—at least as it’s generally portrayed.
It’s not surprising that myths about the system are spreading, given the shrinking space in China for civil society, rights lawyering, speech, investigative journalism, and religious belief; its increasingly ubiquitous, invasive surveillance capability; and the Chinese Communist Party’s push to apply big data and artificial intelligence in governance. China’s party-state is collecting a vast amount of information on its citizens, and its social credit system and other developments internally and overseas raise many serious concerns. But contrary to the mainstream media narrative on this, Chinese authorities are not assigning a single score that will determine every aspect of every citizen’s life—at least not yet.
It’s true that, building on earlier initiatives, China’s State Council published a road map in 2014 to establish a far-reaching “social credit” system by 2020. The concept of social credit (shehui xinyong) is not defined in the increasing array of national documents governing the system, but its essence is compliance with legally prescribed social and economic obligations and performing contractual commitments. Composed of a patchwork of diverse information collection and publicity systems established by various state authorities at different levels of government, the system’s main goal is to improve governance and market order in a country still beset by rampant fraud and counterfeiting.
Under the system, government agencies compile and share across departments, regions, and sectors, and with the public, data on compliance with specified industry or sectoral laws, regulations, and agreements by individuals, companies, social organizations, government departments, and the judiciary. Serious offenders may be placed on blacklists published on an integrated national platform called Credit China and subjected to a range of government-imposed inconveniences and exclusions. These are often enforced by multiple agencies pursuant to joint punishment agreements covering such sectors as taxation, the environment, transportation, e-commerce, food safety, and foreign economic cooperation, as well as failing to carry out court judgments.
These punishments are intended to incentivize legal and regulatory compliance under the often-repeated slogan of “whoever violates the rules somewhere shall be restricted everywhere.” Conversely, “red lists” of the trustworthy are also published and accessed nationally through Credit China.
HD Version so you don't have to squint for the brainworms
The infographic was made by the Bertelsmann Stiftung foundation which was operated by Helmut Kohl's forget foreign policy advisor and hosted Gorbachev after he killed the USSR.
It's a thoroughly anti-communist and revisionist propaganda institution.
And surprise surprise, it was started by a Nazi
Wow. And that Nazi has received multiple awards from Zionist foundations. Wow. Wowee. Who would have guessed. What a fucking shocker.
Wow. And that Nazi has received multiple awards from Zionist foundations. Wow. Wowee. Who would have guessed. What a fucking shocker.
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Community development, culture, Jewish-Arab coexistence
Promoting Jewish-Arab coexistence by - checks notes - giving Nazis awards. :what-the-hell:
The Jerusalem Foundation has also contributed to Arab neighborhoods, though not to the same extent as Jewish ones.
Fucking lol.
Do you have any knowledge of them? I only found out about them from this and some cursory googling
Being founded by a Luftwaffen POW who's only takeaway from the war was "damn, American enterprise be good though" is definitely not a plus.
Yep, he was fully in on the Nazi project. Which is why he was allowed to become a billionaire after being released from the POW camp and supported by America.
How can people legitimately think this is worse than America's credit score system?
They don’t understand America’s credit score system, and they believe having a low credit score is enough of a moral failing that a social credit score is an extreme overreach, because :freeze-peach:
Because they believe everything is separate and not connected, despite even American credit score systems know it’s all connected.
The idea of a society scoring people based on their circumstances is better.
The social credit system is not perfect but it paints a better picture then other quick look systems for fast judging of strangers.
it's funny cuz you go on any online game's sub and you can find posts complaining about chinese hackers
The Chinese gamers were getting too good and comrade Xi had to tell them to tone it down because they were making the anglos mad.
Predditors finally acknowledging the fact that China is technologically superior to the US
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Still believing in social credit score
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Is there so way to convince Americans that the American credit system is actually an evil plot by China?
Americans are right to consider expectations to "help the poor" and "take care of elderly family members" grimly dystopian
Even if this were true, this is basically the calculation that determines what college you get accepted into (if you're not rich). Like are we pretending there are no social consequences in America for having a DUI or protesting?
Edit: lol this is superior to having the exact same benefits/punishments but doling them our based on class and skin colour.
Not paying attention to your parents is good under capitalism cause that's more time to work smh.
Yeah imagine having a credit score that controls your life and if you are able to afford to do things in that society.
when you link debunks from Harvard and Foreign Policy the cope gets intense
Yes, I’d rather be punished for using 10% of my credit limit than for letting my parents starve.
This just made me check mine and I realized that I'm at 714 and it keeps going +/- 1 every week because they don't want me to go over 720 so I get upgraded to "good".
Literally never had a debt in my life that I didn't pay off in full.
Yeah. You learn about so many hidden reasons why your score goes down.
Being in debt is the point of the credit score, everyone should do it
Yeah, but if I ever want the a deathdebt that will allow me to have a home I need to avoid getting too much in debt and also maintain a savings to provide the down payment.
Until then I just have to pay my landlord's death debt off and also generate a bit of surplus value for them so they can make a profit off their debt.
Oh no! It's horrible! How could those evil commies do that?
- Sent from the country where unemployed and handicapped people are not allowed to move into certain neighbourhoods and where the government is demolishing housing with "too many" non-whites.
Sent from the country where unemployed and handicapped people are not allowed to move into certain neighbourhoods
Wait, what?
In certain neighbourhoods, often those with the lowest rents, you get placed at the bottom of the waiting list for housing if you're unemployed, on disability, doesn't have formal education, have a criminal record or is a stay at home spouse. Politicians here are very concerned with not having too many undesirables, i.e. poors and Muslims, living in the same place.
Muslims are the most heated minority though and all those "objective" criteria for housing discrimination are really meant to be understood as dog whistles for Muslims as unemployment, crime etc. are being perceived in an increasingly racialised way here. White people here gets caught up in this as well, but they're still poor people so nobody who matters cares.
Allegedly crime and unemployment will ensue if such second-class citizens live too close together and are bad influences on each other and our dear leaders are insistent they are actually doing it for the undesirables' own sake, something about children had to see their neighbours go to work in the morning.
Sorry commies but I'm going to have to keep using my Freedom Score, where 3 different opaque for-profit companies email me every couple of weeks to tell me that my score has increased or decreased arbitrarily!
Oh, you paid off your student loans? Great job! 👍 We're lowering your credit score because that was the longest held account you had. Lmao fuck you
Again, this is complete bs.
There isn’t a unified number. There’s a broad policy push to improve pro-social behaviour, which all falls under the broad helm of ‘social credit’.
For example, here’s a programme to encourage volunteering time for care of infirm elderly. (And tbh I don’t even know if that one technically falls within the ‘social credit’ purview)
