Winnie the Pooh is literally yellow.
How did I not realise this before.
How is comparing him to Winnie the Pooh racist? It started in China, then got popular in the west because of how ridiculous censoring it is. Classic Streisand effect. To jump to the conclusion the people in the west use it because they think an orange bear, which they most certainly have never related to Asians before this, is comparable to the skin colour of Asians... you really can see racism everywhere if you just try hard enough.
Do people compare Obama to Tigger because he only has some black stripes, indicating that he is barely black?
Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist.
You literally just came up with "bear yellow -> chinese yellow" and then accused everyone of being racist without having any evidence. Now you went from "it is racist" to "there are a few racists who could think about it in some racist way". Don't waste your time making up some weird fantasies and use it for something worthwhile. And care about real problems.
Lol, calling an asian person the name of a fictional character with yellow skin is racist, fuck off
I'm an Asian guy, and I promise you if someone called me Winnie the Pooh, my first thought would be they're calling me kinda pudgy, not be that they're being racist. But no one would ever call me Winnie the Pooh, because there's no context for anyone here to call me or any other given Asian person Winnie the Pooh. It's not the n word for Asian people, it's not any of those established slurs that are otherwise innocuous but in the context of Asian people turn extremely racist, it's not calling me Chang or whatever because my eyes are a little slanted, it's not accusing me of bringing coronavirus to America and then intimidating or assaulting me. The context for this is "a world leader is a little too sensitive about a meme and John Oliver (or his writers) thought that was funny and now so do libs who have a knee jerk negative reaction to China". No violence is being done towards Asian people as a whole when someone calls Xi Winnie the Pooh. It's just libs doing their cringey Trump = Voldemort thing, except for a different guy. There's Sinophobic and broader orientalist ideas that translate into legitimate instances of modern day "subtle" anti-Asian racism. This is not one of those instances.
Yellow fur*
Tell me if I got this right: If Chinese social media comes up with a meme about some politician by comparing him to a fictional character with yellow skin, fur, scales, whatever, and this spreads to the "western" internet, sharing it becomes racist? I am glad that you fight real world issues and don't pick battles that mostly exist in your head.
Ah yes, because it’s totally impossible to point out racism while also thinking, talking, and doing other things. You’re so right. Also, you’re here arguing with me? Don’t you have revolutionary work to be doing, why are you engaging in arguments on the internet??
Weird hill you’re choosing to die on by fighting so hard to be able to call Xi Winnie the Pooh, go off I guess.
let's not take our personal frustrations out on Xi or any other jolly lovable fictional characters
[Sincere Post] I'm new to China discourse but didn't it start with like actual Chinese dissidents? Or is it western astrotrurfed stuff?
Not dissidents, just a harmless internet meme. Sometimes censors get a little sensitive about leadership which is annoying, but it never really stops the shitposting.
People using it in the west is racist though and removed from context that made it funny. Blown way out of proportion.
‘Dissidents’ is probably a bit too strong. People poking fun at their own government’s overzealous censorship would be a better description.
I can imagine most of the time people are just confused by some of the censorship. I saw one thread with Chinese citizens on twitter making fun of a superstition causing a censorship in a movie title. I think one of them said they weren't even sure if anyone who believed that was alive anymore.
Chinese dissidents? Or is it western astrotrurfed stuff?
There's a difference?
I was looking at a picture of Xi in some article before, and I was staring at it like “where did the Winnie the Pooh thing even come from, this motherfucker bears no resemblance to Winnie the Pooh.”
Then it finally clicked. It’s just slightly covert racism. I guess it gives people plausible deniability.
In addition to being racist, it's also incredibly annoying for someone who has been using that name/identity since well before Xi even came to power.
Michael Bolton was a great name until that no-talent assclown started making music and winning Grammys
Pooh is orange.
After thinking about it too much, I wasn't sure what orange was anymore so I looked up a charts of what people commonly call colors and cross referenced them with Pooh's shades, and all of them are in the region of colors people tend to label orange.
Here are some charts based on a large surveys where people were shown a random color and asked what it is: http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/satfaces_map_1024.png https://community.wolfram.com/groups/-/m/t/434022
Here's some scenes from various Whinnie The Pooh DVDs I selected at random for direct comparison: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=whinney+the+pooh+scene&t=ffab&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images
I mean he's closer to orange-yellow than orange-brown or orange-red, but he's definitely within the orange regions.
Tigger is orange, compare him to Pooh. Pooh is absolutely yellow. His page on Winniepedia https://pooh.fandom.com/wiki/Winnie-the-Pooh_(character)?mobile-app=false
“Pooh is a yellow anthropomorphic bear”
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This is a stupid argument, just go ask any kid who watches Winnie the Pooh or has merchandise what color he is. He’s very obviously yellow.
This might be the goofiest argument I've seen on the internet in 15 years.
White and black have been associated with good and evil since way before racism, and the decision to label pink/beige people "white" and tan/brown people "black" was absolutely meant to exploit this.
You can get Pooh stuffed animals with and without shirts, and they all have unambiguously yellow fur.
See i think Winnie the Poo is Yellow but i've definitely seen stuffed ones that looked orange. https://www.amazon.com/Disney-Winnie-Pooh-Plush-Toy/dp/B00441IJX6
Pooh is golden yellow.
Your computer display color calibrations are probably off. Showing too much saturation, or too much red, turns golden yellow into orange.
If you're on Windows: start>color management>advanced tab>calibrate displayHonestly, the best way to check if your monitor has good color rendering and accurate color calibration is to look at porn.
I tested it by putting both pooh and various color charts in the same image, and dragging a bit of pooh's fur over the chart until they matched. They matched on either "orange", or golden for the more detailed charts.
Then you're probably looking at a biased sample of Pooh Bear pictures, and not correctly accounting for scene lighting conditions.
Might even blame color constancy; such that Pooh is orange in your mind, so you see him as orange and reinterpret his surroundings instead.For real though it's mostly just a language and culture issue, the way people categorize colors differs between countries.
(also i didn't downvote you, i'm not rude like that; plenty of other ways, but not like that)
It's funny because I was watching Shanghai Disney vlog and the guys were confounded that Winnie The Pooh was still there
It's not even the best "censor dodge name" that Chinese people have for him.
Apologies for the leddit link, but look how goddamn high level this is: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/8knxnf/the_very_high_level_chinese_meme_dragon_knight/
lol you didn't realize it until now because it's not racist. it started on weibo, not in america. calling him winnie the pooh is cringe but please for the love of buddha stop with this
Things can undergo a transformation. If something starts being used by white racists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist
