https://twitter.com/CPUSA_LA/status/1455272804220293126

https://www.cpusa.org/article/an-upsurge-worth-fighting-for/

    • volkvulture [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      is it development or reversion?

      how does "Bill of Rights socialism" functionally differ from "socialist patriotism?"

      • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I think using the language of a legitimately progressive document that just about every American can at least relate to and draping yourself in the American flag are at the very least a big difference in degree. The tenth point in the program is reparations, which is very much not a tailist policy.

        • volkvulture [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Who has merely "draped themselves in the American flag"? It is the "Communist Party of the USA" right? And not the Communist Party of some as-of-yet unformed or abstract polity?

          Joe Sims repeating the "Trump Derangement Syndrome" line and saying that the Biden administration is what has "facilitated" the recent strike wave are definitely tailist

          • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            What name should they be using? The Communist Party of Unceded Native Land?

            I don't know what you're talking about with the first part and if you're referencing the article I think you are for the second part, that's uncharitable. I think the stance about the Biden cabinet is definitely unfounded optimism but he clearly outlines that class struggle is what has facilitated the strike wave.

            • volkvulture [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              "socialist patriotism" and "Bill of Rights socialism" mean the same thing

              Native tribes are each & among them fighting to acquire ancestral lands & rightful territory, and they have been for generations

              CPUSA's motto 70 years ago was "Communism is 20th century Americanism"

              And no, Joe Sims says explicitly that it's Biden who has provided some "Era of Good Feeling" or something

              "One of the reasons the strikes are taking place is that workers feel like they can win. It’s created an atmosphere where labor feels that the administration has their back"

              Was Joe Sims wrong in 2014 or is he wrong now?

              • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                “socialist patriotism” and “Bill of Rights socialism” mean the same thing

                No they don't.

                Native tribes are each & among them fighting to acquire ancestral lands & rightful territory, and they have been for generations

                Ok that doesn't answer the question.

                CPUSA’s motto 70 years ago was “Communism is 20th century Americanism”

                70 years ago.

                And no, Joe Sims says explicitly that it’s Biden who has provided some “Era of Good Feeling” or something

                “One of the reasons the strikes are taking place is that workers feel like they can win. It’s created an atmosphere where labor feels that the administration has their back”

                Yeah I think I'd disagree with that, but it's not like it's unambiguously false.

                Was Joe Sims wrong in 2014 or is he wrong now?

                He was wrong in 2014, that's what the word "development" means.

                • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  Yes they do.

                  I don't remember you asking a non-rhetorical or earnest question.

                  Yes, and it holds true today. Just as Sims says last year and 7 years ago.

                  Yes, it's unambiguously false. It is the pandemic & mass backlash against faulty public health & corporate policy since the start of it

                  But there is nothing about "development" here, you're just throwing that in there

                  Joe Sims was correct in 2014, and the nonsense about Trump has only muddied the waters

                  • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    I don’t remember you asking a non-rhetorical or earnest question.

                    Yes I suspect that you frequently discard anything that contradicts your dumb bullshit.

                    Yes, it’s unambiguously false. It is the pandemic & mass backlash against faulty public health & corporate policy since the start of it

                    Lol you watch Jimmy Dore and think that people are striking over vaccine mandates.

                    But there is nothing about “development” here, you’re just throwing that in there

                    https://hexbear.net/post/150561/comment/1819716

                    Joe Sims was correct in 2014, and the nonsense about Trump has only muddied the waters

                    Lmao so you're a patriotic socialism guy. Have fun with your stupid bullshit.

                    • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                      3 years ago

                      So you didn't ask a question

                      You don't watch Jimmy Dore and take it on faith that he's someone evil

                      Joe Sims is a "patriotic socialism" guy too. That's what "Bill of Rights socialism" is

                      • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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                        3 years ago

                        You think that union guys switching from Democrat to Republican is a sign of class consciousness. You are an examplar of Jimmy Dore's audience.

                        • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                          3 years ago

                          I didn't say it's the most advanced section of class consciousness among workers, I said that there is a class struggle ongoing whether they're a part of a Communist Party or not

                          they're not reduced to mindless rabble just because they recognize petty bourgeois Democrats & rad libs as such. I would say it's not a positive tactical or strategic intention of the right, it's thus far more of a failure of progressive & workers' movements to seize on those shifts, which are objective & tied to material deterioration in those areas, not to idealist partisan disputes