Right I'm trying to get at the underlying principle here. On the one hand you got an obligation to uphold a person's right to autonomy; otoh you've got an obligation to the people that would die.
Lol cmon quit trying to make it a question I'm not asking. I get that you don't support the vaccine mandate for covid. That's fine I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm trying to understand is this just specific to covid? Or is it just on principle?
Sorry for the 20 questions just hard to talk to people on twitter about this shit. So what do you think the best way forward is. Like I make you king/queen for the day type thing. Just build a lot of hospitals and run a lot of PSAs?
Another poster made the only correct argument in that unions & employers have to come to agreements & employers can definitely incentivize these things at the bargaining table
Where employees are not protected by such associations, there will be more unrest
It's the inevitable result of what you're advocating for. It's only sensible to assume you support the outcome of your actions, else why take the action in the first place?
That's nice
yes
Got a question for ya since you seem against mandates. If I had ebola would you want me to be quarantined even if I opposed it?
quarantine isn't vaccine
Right I'm trying to get at the underlying principle here. On the one hand you got an obligation to uphold a person's right to autonomy; otoh you've got an obligation to the people that would die.
yes, the people who are at most risk of dying are the ones who choose not to get the vaccine, right? so it's about consent still at that point
So the individual right to autonomy is more important then?
are the unvaccinated more at risk or the vaccinated?
I asked about ebola
is ebola as contagious as COVID? is it a global health concern at the moment?
Lol cmon quit trying to make it a question I'm not asking. I get that you don't support the vaccine mandate for covid. That's fine I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm trying to understand is this just specific to covid? Or is it just on principle?
Given that their username has "volk" in it, I'm guessing they're a troll.
Nah volks been around a while
Ah, nevermind then
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So just specific to covid then?
in this case yes
Gotcha
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Sorry for the 20 questions just hard to talk to people on twitter about this shit. So what do you think the best way forward is. Like I make you king/queen for the day type thing. Just build a lot of hospitals and run a lot of PSAs?
Another poster made the only correct argument in that unions & employers have to come to agreements & employers can definitely incentivize these things at the bargaining table
Where employees are not protected by such associations, there will be more unrest
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in America people not getting treatment is normal
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I've been talking about America this whole time... I've heard waiting for advanced procedures in Canada is normal
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This thread's original subject matter was about America
Anti-vaxxers are an extreme minority, particularly among the most vulnerable populations.
Having waiting lists for specialists & risky operations I've always heard is quite normal
People choosing not to get the vaccine doesn't mean they're against the vaccine or don't believe in the science
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Canada has guarantees to serving everyone though, America doesn't
Canada also doesn't have the same kind of legal & social questions, and if the government implemented a mandate, there would be compliance
Waiting lists are normal, and since the pandemic has started the waits have increased
yes, it literally does
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yes, it empirically is
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where did I say I support hospital beds being shut down?
It's the inevitable result of what you're advocating for. It's only sensible to assume you support the outcome of your actions, else why take the action in the first place?
Unless you are simply very stupid.
What?
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you think?