When US operators don't have a huge air superiority advantage, they usually just fold lmao.

https://twitter.com/TelegraphWorld/status/1455637159453601797

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    3 years ago

    anyway whenever i hear about stuff like this and the millennium challenge and how long its been since america fought a conventional war where this sort of shit could be tested against real opponents, it always reminds me of this

    We did conventional war back in the 90s during Desert Storm, and we basically mopped the floor with the Iraqi Army - then the 5th largest in the world. But yes, a lot of those battles really did boil down to "My tank can shoot twice as far and drive twice as fast as your tank and can actually hit what its aiming at" conflicts, wherein a dozen American vehicles just backpeddled and decimated an Iraqi tank battalion.

    The modern US military still does periodically have to deal with quasi-combat situations, particularly in air defense. But the theory is that our tech so vastly outstrips the competition that there really isn't a countermeasure you can deploy against it. The Millennial Challenge was a shock, because Americans assumed you could just roll through the Iranian military unimpeded. But the real "defeat" in that scenario was in expected American casualties (which officers predicted would be near-zero, but opposition commanders proved would be far higher). America still "won" the conflict with overwhelming force.

    These scenarios definitely illustrate how American military units are under-trained and unprepared for a full-scale conflict. But anyone who thinks the US couldn't wipe the UK off the map in a serious conflict is crazy. There's a huge gulf between believing the US units are invincible and inexhaustible, and that they can't do horrific damage in a stand-up battle.

    • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Destroying your oponent isn't winnning a war. We can brake shit. We can drop more nukes. However, we don't realy have the logistical lower to pick an objective and do it.

      Consider china, we are never going to do a grownd war with them. But if we tried, we wouldn't be a le to get even a quarter of our sfuff there. And hhen there it wouldn't work half as well. We could burn it all down at the cost of most our stuff. Couldn't proper call it a voctory even though we'd be thr last ones standing. It be the opposite of ww2. Where we won by really not getting onvovled and looting the corpses of the combatents.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        3 years ago

        The big lesson of WW2 is that you don't need to control territory in order to establish a global economic hegemony. Breaking the opposition's industrial base is sufficient to consolidate power within your own.

        We don't want to do an open war with China, but we absolutely do want to cut off their industrial capacity and chain them to our supply routes. So we cut deals with Australia and we foment revolts in Xinjiang and we destabilize the border with India. All in the hope that China's gangbusters growth will lag long enough for our own economy to finally get its shit together after a 40 year Volcker-Shock induced development lag.