First of all, they REJECT the labels absolutely.

Second of all, you don’t even need to be politically literate to understand that they’re not socialist. And no, it’s not because “marx’s theories are outdated and socialism has been updated.” ITS BASIC FUCKING HISTORY.

The US had several fucking nukes pointed at the USSR. Multiple times the world almost ended because of ideological conflicts. Latin American and Asia were invaded, interfered with, and openly and proudly.

So why the FUCK would the US be allies with socialist countries now? Why would they share intelligence with Canadians if they’re socialist? Despite trading heavily with China, the US still have nukes pointed at their country. They have soldiers stationed near their borders. Why isn’t the Canadian-US border heavily militarized? Why aren’t there nuclear submarines patrolling near their waters?

YOU IDIOT

ITS NOT SOCIALIST

THATS WHY

  • fed [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    i don’t understand the difference between say Sweden and China past the aesthetic level. How is China more socialist than Sweden / Sweden more capitalist than China?

    Obviously neither are currently socialist but what about the Nordic countries is worse from the perspective of workers in the country. Obviously imperialism / looting of the 3rd world exists

    • Satanic_Mills [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      China's government holds the reins over the domestic bourgeoisie; their interests are only partly aligned and the state will slap down individuals and entire industries that act counter to the government's interests. c.f. Jack Ma, cram schools etc.

      The Nordics are ultimately dictatorships of the bourgeoisie; the interests of business and always present and paramount no matter how the people vote in elections. The state in the Nordic countries acts to mediate frictions between the workers and capital on behalf of capital.

      These differences are why the Nordic states social safety nets are slowly eroding/being farmed out and the Chinese state is tackling the Three Mountains.

    • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I'm gonna go out on a limb and say far fewer people in Denmark, or any country, have the kind of knowledge of Marxist theory that Chinese citizens have because of their education.

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        In Denmark the general knowledge of Marxist theory can be summarised as:

        1. Marxism = communism = bad Stalin 100 billion dead Venezuela iPhone
        2. Marxism "failed" and was "proven wrong" when the Berlin wall fell
        3. Marxism is obsolete because social democracy is much better as can be seen from it working flawlessly here and we're the best country on earth. The entire world could be just like Denmark if just everyone were as smart as we are.
        • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Same shit in Norway.

          At the very least, China has a stated goal of transitioning to socialism/communism, which is certainly not the case for any of the Scandinavian countries. I suppose it's possible that every single one of the 95+ million members of the CPC are just lying opportunists and none of them are actually committed communists, but is it likely though? I'm gonna say probably not.