Redditors have scared the capital owners :lets-fucking-go:
It'd be weirdly fitting for our Children of Men-esque creatively sterile, dead end society to meet its downfall not through violent revolution, but because people just ran out of shits to give
I honestly think this is far more likely than like an Octobe Revolution, at least if it falls apart within the decade and not when we have 140F heatwaves every summer
It's both- the shriveling empire will simply fuel conflict that will be about its own crazy shit
Maybe because capitalism is destroying our planet and our souls and is making us all depressed. They never mention that part. How long are they going to pretend that this economic system is viable?
I'm getting a 'pull the copper wire out of the wall before we leave' vibe from these ghouls. They'll get what they can and leave before shit falls apart.
You mean he wants to send the poors into space.
He intended the elites to stay. Literally yeeting the working class into space.
It's horrifying that he'd think that way- and it also makes absolutely makes no logistical sense and his plan is idiotic.
it also makes absolutely makes no logistical sense and his plan is idiotic.
He can't actually expect that, just look at the disposable parts of a rocket and ask yourself "Can we make 5 billion of these?".
I'd be more concerned if he was pursuing more scalable methods or restarting biodome projects
the working class has babies faster than they can send us into space...
also they will need workers to cater to their demands here on Earth, so even if they could send the entire poor population of Earth to space, they would be left helpless and starving.
bezos is such a fucking moron. either that or he just says this shit publicly even though it is not actually what he believes, to distract from his real goals.
Even if they take the copper wire they’re not gonna bother disconnecting the radiators and shit but if you don’t care about preserving the pipes all you need is a sawzall and a couple able bodied folks to carry that shit out of there. If scrap’s in a good place you can get like $100 outta those hefty industrial units. Wait was this supposed to be a metaphor?
Good advice when we do this to landlords. Bad in practice when it's rich people doing it to earth.
Where do they even think they are gonna take it? They WILL NOT get to live in space.
We're talking about people who, by definition, are not allowed to think further than the next financial quarter.
Antiwork is itself suss imo. I do not envision a wave of people quitting their jobs leading to much things that help workers.
They quit and then what? Gas is like $5 a gallon and food / rent is as expensive as it’s ever been. It’s just a bunch of atomized subjects participating in silo’d actions.
I want to be wrong about this but I feel that porky loves that the limit of American resistance is quitting one’s job and bumming it for a while before returning to work at one of the monopolies that survived the “labor shortage.”
The subreddit is mostly opposed to work under capitalism, not work as a whole. The name is just a catchy hook.
This. Ironically, most of the comments and posts on the sub are actually about how much people want to work, but get nothing for it under capitalism.
on the sidebar it reads:
A subreddit for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.
I don't really get 'we are opposed to work under capitalism, not as a whole' from that
i've already seen a lot of cop and landlord defending unfortunately.
I think it might be the right time to tell people that if they want to keep discussing those things they're welcome here as long as they don't get into sectarian bullshit
If they realize the "tankies" are the only ones that will defend their :freeze-peach: maybe they can be taught.
on one hand it would ruin the pace of the site for a month or two
on the other, these people are ripe to be radicalized if they participate on r/antiwork in good faith, and if Goldman Sachs is doing research on the subreddit, then the :cia: is too
We can handle a wave of Redditors and libs. We've done it before, if we catch a few then it's probably worth it.
It's pretty deep in the comments because I want to take it slow and feel it out.
I'm a mod of c/labour c/anarchism and c/chapotraphouse
I have been preparing for just this sort of occasion
I'm like one of two active mods on /c/politics lmao, use the report button comrades
Oh common, it'll be like the good old days where we tell chuds to post hog and then ruthlessly mock them when they do.
already have lmao, some chud faked a link to post gore. mods clapped em thankfully, but they got heated when I told them to post hog
Can't help but think that this is :porky-happy: wearing a :porky-scared-flipped: mask.
Socializing proles to quit rather than demand better conditions. Blow through their savings then end up at some other crap job. Resulting in them staying at home atomized, broke, and miserable rather than flexing or working for a better world in a coordinated fashion perhaps.
I think a part of it is also genuinely to downplay the fact that hundreds of thousands of working class people are fucking dead from the awful handling of this pandemic, and that the whole "nobody wants to work" shit is mostly true only insofar as the dead want for nothing.
Eh. I'm always suspicious of the "Everything is going according plan" capitalist narrative. The theory that we'd even be in this position in the first place if Capitalism Was Going As Planned hinges on the premise that executives aren't just chasing the carrot of profit motive day-to-day.
These articles are definitely pitched to cater to the capitalist narrative. But the idea that there's any grand design behind them, and they're not just spaghetti thrown at the wall to see what sticks, hasn't born out since the Bush Admin.
In my view just as there’s the science of botany and optics, there’s the science of “keeping the proles oppressed and miserable so they stay just where they’re at.”
And this science has hundreds of years of development. So this message has a purpose, and it’s the purpose the rulers want, and they arrived at it after careful deliberation. And it’s part of a continuity of action that goes back a long-ass time. Not random, not spaghetti against the wall.
And this science has hundreds of years of development.
I'll spot you that there's a kind of neoliberal playbook for grinding the proles under. But there's also a Wall Street playbook for maximizing the money coming out of the spigot at any given moment. And a partisan playbook for inflaming the public around certain hot-button social issues. And a foreign policy playbook built around maximizing the control the US exerts abroad.
These playbooks aren't the same. There's... contradiction. What's more, the folks executing the plays have varying degrees of competence. I don't believe the folks currently heading up the top spots in the US system are the most competent at their jobs. Particularly, not when compared to their foreign counterparts operating off their own playbooks towards their own ends.
Afghanistan didn't turn into South Korea. Iraq didn't turn into Saudi Arabia. China didn't turn into Japan. Cuba stubbornly refuses to collapse and submit to US hegemony, even a decade after the Castros went away. COVID is doing far more damage at home than anywhere else in the world. Bitcoin is not really good for US economic hegemony. A senate full of Krysten Sinemas will not secure the fortunes of the capitalist class for another generation.
Not random, not spaghetti against the wall.
Times change and strategies need to evolve. The modern iteration of capitalism is clearly not working as well as its historical predecessors.
Although there are are competing interests within the groups that make up the ruling class, I don’t see the contradictions as negative proof of collusion, so to speak.
Wall St. has its own playbook but when shit gets bad they can get $75 billion a day from the Fed because they do so much good work turning people into feral hogs who want to eat money all day.
There may be a hierarchy and jockeying for resources and power, but the underlying goal is to continue hegemony and white supremacy. That internal coherence, to me, outweighs any cross purpose.
The modern iteration of capitalism is clearly not working as well as its historical predecessors
Americans just watched their country devastated by a plague and now the big media message is “nobody wants to work!” The world is factually, demonstrably dying and people are just going with the flow as rent goes up 40%. Maybe capitalism is not working as well as it has historically, but imo it’s doing well enough.
Although there are are competing interests within the groups that make up the ruling class, I don’t see the contradictions as negative proof of collusion, so to speak.
I see it as individual ideologues and profit-seeking actors executing independently or as a cartel in order to create a kind-of mosaic institution. But, unlike under the post-FDR/LBJ era, I don't know how much of it is ten guys in a smoke-filled room deciding the fate of the nation. In the modern era, its a thousand smoke-filled rooms, with each group trying to get a leg up on the others often to the total system's detriment.
Wall St. has its own playbook but when shit gets bad they can get $75 billion a day from the Fed because they do so much good work turning people into feral hogs who want to eat money all day.
Until you're Lehman, at which point you're hung out to dry because Alan Greenspan needs to prove an ideological point. Or you're Facebook and Donald Trump has a bone to pick over internet censorship. Or you're Solyndra, and the folks over at Exxon want to cut you off at the knees before you can turn into any kind of rival energy producer.
There may be a hierarchy and jockeying for resources and power, but the underlying goal is to continue hegemony and white supremacy. That internal coherence, to me, outweighs any cross purpose.
I think the folks operating the hegemony are entirely too sure of its own success, such that undermining one another is seen as more pressing a concern than upholding the overall hegemony. This is what brought down trade deals like TTP, created autonomous space for countries like Saudi Arabia and Russia and China, and continues to undermine efforts at curbing greenhouse gas emissions, despite the obvious threat to trillions of dollars of developed real estate. Its why Donald Trump became President instead of Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush. The 2016 Election and its consequences clearly illustrate what happens when agents of capital turn on each other with abandon.
Americans just watched their country devastated by a plague and now the big media message is “nobody wants to work!”
Big Media is increasingly fractured and incoherent. The NYT is bitching about people not wanting to work, because its echoing the interests of Wall Street. Meanwhile, right wing internet goons are tacitly encouraging pilots at Southwest to walk off the job over mask mandates, because they're echoing popular resentment at the current Presidential administration.
Time and again, conservatives have demonstrated divided loyalty on populism (particularly Evangelical Populism) versus corporate interests (particularly Big Blue State interests). That's what gave us elimination of the SALT Tax Deduction under Trump, for instance. And the closed US/Mexico border. You know that if Ron DeSantis thought he could become President by calling for a Florida-wide General Strike in 2023, he'd do it in a heartbeat.
The world is factually, demonstrably dying and people are just going with the flow as rent goes up 40%. Maybe capitalism is not working as well as it has historically, but imo it’s doing well enough.
The squeeze on cost-of-living is driving up wages far more rapidly than retailers would prefer. Efforts at unionization are seeing a renaissance. Boomers retiring en mass have drained the reserve army of labor, in no small part thanks to the huge surge in stock prices and home prices.
Capitalism is getting by. But we're a far distant cry from the Glory Days of the 1980s, when the Volcker Shock was disciplining labor and vulture capitalism was the fastest way to make money.
Without the Fed flooding the zone with money, none of this shit can continue to work. And yet the Fed flooding the zone with money is undoing all the work Capital did to constrain labor's influence over markets for the last 30 years.
possibly, but i can't help but think that maybe they've created something beyond their control
The bank’s economics team pointed to the reddit thread r/Antiwork
give me a fucking break
imagine working at goldman sachs and getting paid like $300,000/year to browse reddit
Yes, it's the illegible petite bourgeois ideology of a million or so Reddit meme-stock owners commingling with anarchists that is diminishing labor force participation. It has nothing to do with a pandemic killing boomers left and right (while driving millions into retirement) and wages not being sufficient to afford childcare or housing.
This is also on the third most upvoted post on /r/superstonk right now.
The overlap between anti capitalists, superstonkers, and anti-workers is real.
Because its still on going. They're split into a few groups: 1) those who despise people like ken griffin just because they are preventing their own selves from getting rich but wouldn't actually want any fundamental systemic change and 2) those who want to stick a middle finger to capitalist fucks and this is--regardless of what this site believes--potentially a way for mostly powerless people to actually do just that. They didn't cover. No way.
I'm in that second group, and if you followed that sub regularly, you'd see many think that way. There is a ton of anti capitalist sentiment there.
That's an outdated narrative. Spend a few hours reading up on it - a lot has happened since January.
Kinda made me laugh, ngl. Def some truth to that.
They still haven't covered yet tho. :crab-party:
This report uses soures such as CNBC articles which then in turn state within their articles that the info is unconfirmed.
The SEC is a joke.
That's part of why GME crowd is ripe for radicalization. They're waking up the fact that there will always be class-war, that in capitalism the rich are and will always be dominating, and that the so-called regulatory agencies are there only to protect the rich and not the common good
People think the next big subreddit to be banned will be SLS or GenZedong, but it's going to be antiwork. It's so obvious.
or the mods of r/antiwork will mysteriously be replaced and the sub will take a complete turn
I want to believe, but i can't see how a bunch of non-rich people quitting their awful jobs without some long-term source of monetary support is a "long - run risk" to jack shit.
plus the generational effects of boomers leaving the workforce just means a shrinking total number of laborers in general anyway, and that is a much bigger structural force than some people quitting because their jobs suck so much (good job NLRB and OSHA at being useless).
Man am I going to have to actually figure out what antiwork is? Was hoping it was just a fad I could tune out. I don't think I'm anti work
r/antiwork is not abolish labor, its a sub about improving working conditions. its a lib sub that is socdem at best, but its seen utterly massive engagement in the past couple months, and it is constantly in a self fulfilling cycle of labor agitation with the posts and comment.
It's good. That shit is absolute golden pipeline material so it's fine if it isn't explicitly Marxist IMHO
Agreed. People want perfect Marxists to just form out of nowhere. That needs to be cultivated where there's fertile ground. And there is certainly fertile ground there.
Work is different when your not trying squeeze every last blood soaked cent of profit out of a person. Working together to help eachother is rewarding I like doing stuff
Remember a month ago when reddit was beating off to the chinese lying flat movement?
No but now I'm intrigued and holy shit this image rocks: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Picture2.jpg
Translation: Get up? It's impossible in this life.