tl;dr The expert's recommendation is "to make moving out of the region a goal."

How making $300,000 in San Francisco can still mean you're living paycheck-to-paycheck

Dec. 7, 2021

Editor's note: This story originally ran in 2019, but has been updated with 2021 figures.

With the median price of a home in the U.S. at $300,000, you can can achieve homeownership and the idealized middle-class lifestyle in most parts of the country making a salary just under or above six figures.

In San Francisco's land of $2 million fixer-uppers, the income needed to reach this status is obviously more. But how much more?

S.F.-based finance expert Sam Dogen pinned that number at $300,000, after surveying dozens of readers on his Financial Samurai blog and asking about their incomes and expenses living in the notoriously high-priced coastal cities.

With their feedback, Dogen broke down the budget of a couple with one to two children in San Francisco, Seattle or New York. He found $300,000 is the income necessary to put something away for retirement, save for your child's education, own a three-bedroom home, take three weeks of vacation a year and retire by a reasonable age.

"It's not an extravagant lifestyle," Dogen says. "It's a middle-class lifestyle if you consider a middle-class person should be able to afford a modest home, have at least one car, have a kid or two. There are no private jets in this budget."

Dogen has put together a detailed post where you'll find analysis and explanation on each expense, but here are a few points to note:

  • The $29,400-a-year childcare expense takes into consideration a babysitting rate of about $20 an hour, the standard charge in a city such as San Francisco. Preschool easily costs $18,000 to $20,000 a year in metro areas.

  • The mortgage is based on a $1.5 million, 1,750-square-foot, three-bedroom, two-bathroom home on a 2,500-square-foot lot.

  • The car expenses are based on a single car that accommodates a family.

  • Entertainment expenses include everything from Netflix to tickets to an occasional ball game to date night, which easily costs $200 in San Francisco when you consider expense for dinner and babysitting.

Dogen adds that at $300,000, a family is still living paycheck-to-paycheck and not saving outside their 401K and 529 plans.

"We're in this perpetual grind in San Francisco, and it's a city for people who are willing to hustle," he says. "At one point in the past, $300,000 was a lot of money. Now at this amount, you're probably always going to end up working a long time and having a constant struggle to keep up."

His recommendation is to make moving out of the region a goal.

"There's a moving truck shortage in places like San Francisco because so many people are moving out of this expensive city and other expensive coastal cities," he writes. "If you live in an expensive metropolitan area, consider relocating to lower your cost of living or at least try and take advantage of the valuation differential by investing in Middle America.

"Thanks to technology, there's no need to grind so hard in cities where the median home price is over $1 million."

  • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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    3 years ago

    There's always a deafening silence of the part that they skip over.

    The $29,400-a-year childcare expense takes into consideration a babysitting rate of about $20 an hour

    A babysitter making $20 an hour, and working SIXTY-hour weeks, makes $60k a year. If $300k is paycheck-to-paycheck, then what is ONE FIFTH of that?

    • LilComrade [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      entire armies of the poor support these poor poor pitiful $300,000/year bourgeoise fucks. teachers who make $60,000/year. bus drivers who make $30,000/year. garbage men who pick up their trash, utility workers who keep their lights and water on, grocery workers who stock the store shelves where they shop. restaurant workers who make meals for them when they don't feel like cooking.

      etc etc

        • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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          3 years ago

          My neighbors were somehow fitting three families in a studio next door. There is no way they weren't having to sleep in shifts. Our housing statistics are hiding a real dark fact and that is that a massive amount of people who technically have "housing" that is in no way comfortable or humane.

          We hear about the hundreds of thousands of unhoused people, but there are probably millions living in conditions that are little better.

          • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            That's probably how it is, some on night shifts some on day shifts, people spending the night with friends etc.

          • LilComrade [comrade/them]
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            3 years ago

            there is a family in my building with 10 people in a 2 bedroom apartment. the college kids next to us are 3 people in a 2 bedroom. these apartments are all like 600 sq ft.

  • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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    3 years ago

    "Will you filthy labor aristocracy please vacate our precious coastal cities, those are reserved for the wealthy and their real estate speculating endeavors not you glorified wage slaves to actually live in."

    PMC ghouls and tech bro libertarians getting gentrified out of the very places they made the targets of the interests of capital is actually pretty funny to me.

    • OgdenTO [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      If there is a shortage of moving trucks because people are moving out, I mean, this second level gentrification is definitely what's going on.

    • LilComrade [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      it's funny until you realize it will follow the same path that gentrification did and spread from places like NYC and SF to every city in america.

      REVOLUTION TIME!!!

  • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Living in the Bay Area is soul crushing, especially if you were born here. I feel like an outsider in the place that I was born and I don't really know what to do with it.

    I can't imagine living anywhere else, but a lot of my ethnic group has gone further inland and I feel like every other person I talk to is rich, has a trust fund or all three. My mom was a maid and my dad did all kinds of shitty jobs, and I'm surrounded by the children of the people who hired them.

    How the fucks we supposed ta make piece?

    https://youtu.be/aktLRiWXfqg

    edit: Only good thing about the Bay Area is it makes shit like listening to Imperial Triumphant while riding along BART and seeing the homeless encampments with the backdrop of huge tech metropolises in the background KINO https://youtu.be/B7gBhgYiY80

  • CopsDyingIsGood [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Having kids is financial suicide for all but the ultra rich. Healthy, stable country

  • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    So what are the people making 20/hour to watch these "300k/year isn't enough" crybabies' literal babies doing if their income is 13% of "you're so poor you need to get out of dodge asap?"

    Hate articles about how it's so hard for people making more than 9/10 people in their local area to get by. The last recorded median (individual) income I can find for SF is 33k.

    • inshallah2 [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      The last recorded median (individual) income I can find for SF is 33k.

      I'd love to see the data as a bar chart...

      —————————————————————

      Ninja edit

      I found a chart with household income. It's criminal how they just stop and say $200,000 and above. There should be an entire series of charts that go on at least to $100 million.

      • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        The ranges for the bars are very strange, too. Some cover ranges of salaries 10x as wide as other bars. I understand that there's a far bigger difference between 30k and 50k than 150k and 170k, but it's only fair to put them in ranges that are about 10k wide in that case. Making the ranges inconsistent just makes me think this was manipulated to make the chart look more evenly distributed.

    • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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      3 years ago

      The people making $20/hr are supposed to be sugaring on the side (or sleeping with the dad) and looking for a techbro husband. Or just some rich friend's older kids needing to do something

  • discontinuuity [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    If you're taking a 3 week vacation every year you're not living paycheck to paycheck

    • dallasw
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      1 year ago

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