Tf is this boomer "it looks scary so I hate it" mentality. For fucks sake you dont even heat up glass, that is how little you know about this.
You didnt even take shit that matters like physical/mental side effects, addiction, withdrawal, or anything else into consideration, just blowtorch scary. If i hit a dab with a self heating nectar collector, is it no longer "hard"?
If you took a random nomie off the street you would feel comfotable havibg them hit a joint right? Of course, maybe you tell them to take it slow but it will be fine.
My claim is that you could not in good faith give a random normie with no experience with it a dab. similar to how you would not have them eat a brownie. Without skill and preperation they are just going to have a bad time and possibly get hurt.
...i dont think the term "hard" with liquor is interchangeable when talking about "hard" drugs. Id say anything that has significant physical/mental side effects with prolonged use, or a damaging way method of delivery would qualify as a "hard" drug. You know most randos can eat some weak opiates/other prescriptions and feel totally fine, a lot of them do, and drive on that shit lol. does that make xanax and hydrocodone "soft"
Have you ever hit a dab? It's legitimately a smoother experience than smoking a blunt/joint because it's just the good stuff.
Only reason you use a blowtorch is because you can't burn wax (unless you put it in a joint). There are vape pens designed to smoke it that work basically identically to regular vapes too.
It’s legitimately a smoother experience than smoking a blunt/joint
Lmfao, no, it's not. It's way hotter and has a weird taste unlike a joint or bowl which is just "weed smoke". The dab pens are less reliable and less smooth than flower vapes as well.
You have way more control over your high, a small dab is easier to smoke then a whole joint. The effect is faster and you have the ability to maintain a high without also inhaling an insane amount of smoke.
Considering (legal low dose) edibles are the first drug I ever tried, including alcohol, I would disagree. I don't know what the common definition of hard drug is but to me it means one that has some level of toxicity or otherwise physical danger to it. If you smoke or eat too much weed the worst thing that happens is you'll have a panic attack and feel really shitty, but it won't physically hurt you
Jesus. I took 5mg at a time a few times and got basically nothing (worth noting I was like 250 lbs at the time) so I actually gave up for like a year before giving it a shot again this year and I'm glad I did
I would still say the odds of an unprelared person doing that well and having agood time are low enough it should be considered under a seperate level of precautions as just chuffing a doink.
I think you're also assuming that the edible would be a really high dose, in which case would downing an entire bottle of vodka at once be considered a hard drug too? The only difference I see is that eating a brownie with a lot more weed than expected is easier than drinking a bunch of alcohol if you don't like the taste...
It is difficult to controll dosege without special skills. Similar you just don't give people hard alcohol without checking. You can give anyone a beer and it's cool.
You say vodka, specifically that we call hard liquor.
Fair enough about the "hard liquor" point, but I still feel like if there's not a significant risk of physical harm it shouldn't really be considered a hard drug (though the person in this thread who got ill from a tiny edible may be a counterpoint to that so ¯_(ツ)_/¯)
Booze is a hard drug cause if you drink too much you can throw up and you get a headache the next day. Most people don't like headaches or vomitting, normies can't handle that.
Yes, I would much rather people smoke than drink. Never seen a stones guy wrap his car around a telephone pole. Seen a drunk guy do it.
Weed is safer and healthier than alcohol. I watched a man drown in his own blood from long term alcoholism. Known plenty of heavy smokers with only the most mild side effects
It all depends on the dosage. I've had edibles that feel like nothing and others that hit hard.
Obviously if someone inexperienced is making the stuff they're going to mess it up most likely and make the dosage too high, but that can apply to anything
Ironically dabs are less bad for you, easier to take, and much more controllable. A properly sized dab would unironically be way better for the average non-smoker. Your definition of “hard drug” is silly.
I have seen a kid almost die from hitting a dab too hard and burning his lungs. Blew my goddamn mind they turned weed into an actual hard drug.
Jesus its not a "hard drug" because some dumbass roasted himself
Dabbing is a hard drug. Weed is fine, at the point you are playing with a blowtorch and hot glass a line has been crossed
Tf is this boomer "it looks scary so I hate it" mentality. For fucks sake you dont even heat up glass, that is how little you know about this.
You didnt even take shit that matters like physical/mental side effects, addiction, withdrawal, or anything else into consideration, just blowtorch scary. If i hit a dab with a self heating nectar collector, is it no longer "hard"?
Do better
It is a qualitatively diffrent experience.
If you took a random nomie off the street you would feel comfotable havibg them hit a joint right? Of course, maybe you tell them to take it slow but it will be fine.
My claim is that you could not in good faith give a random normie with no experience with it a dab. similar to how you would not have them eat a brownie. Without skill and preperation they are just going to have a bad time and possibly get hurt.
...So your qualifying mechanic for if a drug is "hard" or not is if a total fuckin rando can do it and "handle it"?
lmfao WHAT
What makes vodka hard alcohol?
...i dont think the term "hard" with liquor is interchangeable when talking about "hard" drugs. Id say anything that has significant physical/mental side effects with prolonged use, or a damaging way method of delivery would qualify as a "hard" drug. You know most randos can eat some weak opiates/other prescriptions and feel totally fine, a lot of them do, and drive on that shit lol. does that make xanax and hydrocodone "soft"
Yes, objectively some eating a bar is safer and likely to be in a better place than someone who drank too much.
fam if you think eating an edible is "harder" than taking xanax i really do not know what to tell you lmao
Have you ever hit a dab? It's legitimately a smoother experience than smoking a blunt/joint because it's just the good stuff.
Only reason you use a blowtorch is because you can't burn wax (unless you put it in a joint). There are vape pens designed to smoke it that work basically identically to regular vapes too.
I got no tolerance. I would green the fuck out if I hit a dab. Least wise I would definitely not be in a safe state to handle a torch.
You can control the size of a dab, and this is coming from someone who greens out with edibles and joints.
Lmfao, no, it's not. It's way hotter and has a weird taste unlike a joint or bowl which is just "weed smoke". The dab pens are less reliable and less smooth than flower vapes as well.
You have way more control over your high, a small dab is easier to smoke then a whole joint. The effect is faster and you have the ability to maintain a high without also inhaling an insane amount of smoke.
My mileage definitely varies in this case, but it's amazing that we have so many choices now!
Yeah but by that logic edibles are hard drugs too and I definitely wouldn't agree with that
Yes, edibles are hard drugs. They are not suitable for normies.
Considering (legal low dose) edibles are the first drug I ever tried, including alcohol, I would disagree. I don't know what the common definition of hard drug is but to me it means one that has some level of toxicity or otherwise physical danger to it. If you smoke or eat too much weed the worst thing that happens is you'll have a panic attack and feel really shitty, but it won't physically hurt you
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lmao thats wild, thats basically nothing
Jesus. I took 5mg at a time a few times and got basically nothing (worth noting I was like 250 lbs at the time) so I actually gave up for like a year before giving it a shot again this year and I'm glad I did
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That might've had something to do with it then
I would still say the odds of an unprelared person doing that well and having agood time are low enough it should be considered under a seperate level of precautions as just chuffing a doink.
I think you're also assuming that the edible would be a really high dose, in which case would downing an entire bottle of vodka at once be considered a hard drug too? The only difference I see is that eating a brownie with a lot more weed than expected is easier than drinking a bunch of alcohol if you don't like the taste...
It is difficult to controll dosege without special skills. Similar you just don't give people hard alcohol without checking. You can give anyone a beer and it's cool.
You say vodka, specifically that we call hard liquor.
Dabs, and edibles are hard weed
Fair enough about the "hard liquor" point, but I still feel like if there's not a significant risk of physical harm it shouldn't really be considered a hard drug (though the person in this thread who got ill from a tiny edible may be a counterpoint to that so ¯_(ツ)_/¯)
Booze is a hard drug cause if you drink too much you can throw up and you get a headache the next day. Most people don't like headaches or vomitting, normies can't handle that.
Yes, I would much rather people smoke than drink. Never seen a stones guy wrap his car around a telephone pole. Seen a drunk guy do it.
Weed is safer and healthier than alcohol. I watched a man drown in his own blood from long term alcoholism. Known plenty of heavy smokers with only the most mild side effects
Would casu marzu be considered a hard food then since a normie would probably hurl at the sight or taste of it?
Wtf lmaooo that's such bullshit
It all depends on the dosage. I've had edibles that feel like nothing and others that hit hard.
Obviously if someone inexperienced is making the stuff they're going to mess it up most likely and make the dosage too high, but that can apply to anything
Nah, you really can't fuck up a joint so bad you end up in a hospital.
A plate of brownies can send an entire slumber party in though. And people instinctively think it is safer cause nom nom.
Yes you can. Any amount of weed sends some people I know into a serious panic attack that they need sedation for.
Fair point
Ironically dabs are less bad for you, easier to take, and much more controllable. A properly sized dab would unironically be way better for the average non-smoker. Your definition of “hard drug” is silly.
Cooking is a hard drug. There are ovens and hot surfaces.
Yes, thats why you have safety proceduces in place so you don't burn your self or set shit on fire.
Such as not touching the hot surfaces