Source: https://www.calvertjournal.com/articles/show/9371/soviet-time-capsules-comrades-1967-2017-russian-revolution-centenery
and what do Americans imagine 50 years from now? being the last survivor in their heavily armed bunker
Tbh, being able to imagine a future is a foreign concept to me. I feel as if we are trapped in an unchanging present, waiting for something to break but not knowing what form that will take.
The Eighties, Nineties, and T̸̡̰̪̖̻͛̈́̏̊̓̈́̓̏o̷̡̼͍̣͎̣͉̲̞͊̇͋̓̽̔̿͝d̷̨̲̯͚͓̰̝̪̝̝͒͑̈́̇͌̽̿̏̈a̵͕͋͜ͅỹ̸̤͜͠
I was never really able to imagine the future, except for one brief delusional moment during the second bernie campaign, now I don't like thinking about it anymore
Bernie 2 was a really neat feeling. Not feeling absolute cynicism towards everything really felt good. But I won't be fooled again.
welcome to neoliberalism, the party is lame and you can never leave
At this point the whole thing is purely academic to me (I’m old enough that I’ll likely be dead within the decade) but I’d be fine dying dragging some burning tires in front of a bunker air intake.
What I would give to have that kind of hope and trust in the progress of humanity
yeah I know they were only going to seal them for 50 years yet they are talking about visiting other galaxies and crazy sci-fi like stuff. It was the 60s though so with all the post war new technology and at the peak of Soviet power I understand why they dreamed so big. People don't think like that anymore.
Would have been kinda reasonable to be so optimistic. Compare 1967 to 1917 in terms of how fast technology and society developed, extrapolate that out another 50 years. We're living in a disappointment to those dreamers.
Even in the 90s End Of History phase there was still this kind of optimism, we'd have nanotech making everything we need from sunlight and dirt and genetic engineering would conquer human health.
It's really the last 20 years that have seen those dreams crushed as capitalism stopped looting the Soviet ruins and started looting the core..
We paid a heavy price of millions of lives for our victory. And today, on 22 June 1969, on the 28th anniversary of the treacherous attack by Nazi Germany on our Soviet country, we address you, those who don’t know what war is. We urge you to remember and respect the memory of those who gave their lives in the fight for socialism, who died defending the freedom of the motherland and European nations from foreign invaders. Guard like sacred relics the monuments we have built to commemorate those who died
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The youth of our region is gifting you, the young ones of the 21st century, with Koryazhma that has been turned from a small village into a modern town within ten years, Severdodvinsk that we built on land that used to be swamps, and the colossal wood industry of the North: Kotlass, Solombal and Arkhangelsk factories. We know that you will have better lives than us,” the letter continues. “You will do great things in our galaxy, will make our planet great. We are a little jealous of all you who are celebrating the centenary of our Soviet motherland. But we also know that you will be a little jealous of our restless young generation. We have a clear aim, a great future ahead of us and lots of things to accomplish. We have things that we can invest out hearts, brains, energy and labour in, and this is the source of our happiness.
fuck
“You’ve never had to chant: ‘Shame on the Israeli aggressors!’, you’ve never had to protest the criminal war in Vietnam, read news about provocations in revolutionary Cuba. How far away these events are from you! […] Young crowd of 2017! We are sure that you have justified the trust your heroic predecessors have invested in you, that you have created a new world.”
shit
“We have found in the earth of our peninsula the richest deposits of valuable metals and minerals, we have built towns, cities, factories and power plants in the tundra, laid roads, built a navy and learned how to reap a harvest from this meagre polar soil. We have only made our first steps into outer space, and you are probably already flying to other planets. You will uncover many natural secrets, curb nuclear power, tame the forces of nature, improve the climate, grow gardens in the Arctic Circle. Remember us, your predecessors, who built your city and whose lives were sacrificed for the struggle to build communism.”
:sadness-abysmal:
goddamnit. 50 years from now we all just imagine a climate apocalypse.
That last one is a gut punch. It reminds me of a bit from mash where colonel Potter is toasting his old War buddies who have all died, and he says “To Ryan, who died in the war to end all wars, To Giannelli, who died in the war after that…..” :sadness-abysmal:
This entire article was painful to read. Man, they had such hope for the future :deeper-sadness:
Don't get too pessimistic with this one, everyone. The sixties certainly weren't lacking in issues, and even if we haven't totally solved humanity's problems, we're far better off than we were then. Things will get better, if it takes ten years or a hundred. Don't lose that hope.
If you were born in 1900 and lived to be 70 years old you would be around to see:
-Film
-Human terrestrial flight
-Communism become a world dominating force
-The average life expectancy double
-Radio
-Human space flight
-Nuclear power
-Cars
-The end of monarchy
-Man landing on the Moon
-The green revolution
-and much, much more
Now let's compare that to being born in 1970 and living till now:
-The internet (a thing that is only a net negative)
-Death of communism
That's about it. We are stagnant
What!? More stuff happened in 70 years than in 50 years!?
Summing the entire computing revolution - from making central planning finally possible, to being able to solve previously intractable planning problems, to the early internet, to global access to a huge variety of information - as "internet (a thing that is only a net negative" - makes the last 50 years sound like nothing happened in technology?
Focusing on the doomed Soviet Union and ignoring the still thriving communist China makes it look like communism is dead?
No shit.
Go outside and have a picnic you absurd doomer.
It’s just kind of hard to feel good about china’s progress when all the western countries are still in the grip of neoliberalism and trending towards conservative nationalism/fascism.
but dude no its all good this other country that you will never go to maybe is on the right track pls ignore the fabric of society rapidly fraying away
:internet-delenda-est: imagine feeling empathetic for the exploited workers in the global south couldn’t be me lol
The USA and the colonizer bloc is eternally beaned, we been knowing it. Revolutionary defeatism is the only viable strategy aside from organizing workplaces and protests under capitalism. Doesn’t mean that the communist bloc growing in size, that would ACCELERATE the downfall of global capitalism and the American hegemony, should be ignored.
Revolution will never happen in the hegemon, we’re inundated with treats. You can look and surrender to doomerism and do nothing, or you can accept and contribute to the global communist frontier
Bawwww its impossible to make shit better here so don't try
That's even more doomer than me lol
aside from organizing workplaces and protests under capitalism
impossible to make shit better here
:puzzled:
it's not all or nothing. We can fight against the inside machine while acknowledging that socialism won't come to a fuckin imperial hegemon before those oppressed under the heel of it, which is just common sense. The US as an existing state entity and the colonial heirs as existing state entities are eternally beaned and will not change without the treats being cut off, and even then. Doesn't mean never, but the USA will be on the cliffs of its rotted infrastructure as an empire before socialism comes to it.
ignoring the still thriving communist China
I don't live there and they aint coming here so why should I?
You don't live in 1900 and it aint coming here so why do you care what happened back then?
Because the point of comparison is that things are stagnant or trending downwards compared to the past. I don't live in China and never will so idgaf how peachy shit supposedly is over there
the point of comparison is that things are stagnant or trending downwards compared to the past.
But the comparison is a load of steaming shit that you made up and cherrypicked because you feel like the world is going to shit and want a reason to wallow in it. You can't blame everything wrong on a far away, nebulous state of decay while rejecting anything that's going well because it's far away and nebulous.
You should go address whatever is actually upsetting you, rather than seeking out reasons why it's okay to mope. Or if something bad has happened to you recently, go actually be sad! Indulge it, listen to emo music, write bad poetry - living out your sadness is good for you. Inventing a world to live in that's constructed out of that sadness is not.
And if you don't know what to do - go have a picnic, then go join an organization that actually does something.
What the fuck are you talking about plenty of amazing advancements have happened the last 50 years.
Here's just some for each decade
80's: artificial hearts, the space shuttle, the start of GPS (not available to the public much until 2000s tho)
90's: DVDs, the internet (which despite what you think has been an amazing tool in connecting people all around the globe and allowing us to explore history and culture far better than ever before), Human Genome Project, in vitro fertilization becomes readily accessible.
2000's: Great advancements in our understanding of the age of the universe, the Mars Exploration Rover first lands, the bio-artificial liver.
2010's: 3D printing, a surge of open source technology, New Horizons the first spacecraft to reach Pluto, the discovery of the (admittedly already known but not yet found) Higgs boson particle.
I did and still got covid. We shouldn't even have diseases anymore
Who said we shouldn't? Contagions are constantly evolving. Technology is not magic. These vaccines were made possible by advances in genomics, bioinformatics, and distributed computing. Do those not count as technological advances as well?
Yes you can still get covid, the point of these vaccines is to increase your odds of surviving and reduce the odds of transmission.
Also MRI and medical imaging in general were developed in the past 50 years...
None of these paltry trickets that I guess reduces your death expectancy by like 10% is going to compare to like, Cybernetics or space colonies. People in the 60's legitimately thought we'd be full The Stars My Destination by now meanwhile we entered this gross neverchanging now in like 1998 and can't seem to get past it
Some of that attitude wasn't just killed by capitalism but realizing actual physical limitations
None of these paltry trickets that I guess reduces your death expectancy by like 10%
:shrug-outta-hecks:
Ok buddy, like I said technology isn't magic... They're also intended to reduce the need for hospitalization, which also helps reduce community spread, keeps healthcare workers safe, reduces the overall strain on the medical system, and keeps everyone overall healthier than we would be otherwise. So far they seem to be effective at these things.
I'm outta here.
Edit: Also 10% is a lot when it's out of a few billion people, what the fuck? Lmao
There was a Tesla orbiting the sun then as well. And you could talk to him.
Okay then just drown in doomerism I guess? Not gonna bother giving a real response to whatever the fuck your comment is supposed to be so go off king
