because vietnam won. korea is still at war.

If the US dropped the sanctions regime against the DPRK, I am sure that they would also compromise with western capital to facilitate investment/modernization like China and Vietnam did. Just like with Cuba, it is US intransigence and maintenance of war footing (the illegal blockade for Cuba, and the US military occupation of south Korea against the DPRK) that prevents cooperation.

Vietnam liberated itself from occupation and reunified under a single Marxist-Leninist government. It has a population of 100 million people. It decisively defeated the US militarily. All of this gives it a very strong position to engage with the global economy. Korea remains divided and under occupation, the DPRK has a population of only about 26 million, far less than half of the peninsula's, and remains in a state of frozen conflict with the US and its proxies. It has no power to leverage on the global stage.

Vietnam was under brutal sanctions as well until they took an IMF loan and opened up their economy which let a lot of manufacturing into the country. This helped normalize relations between them and the US. They also united all of Vietnam during the war, so they don't have any major ambitions for expanding territory in a way that would disrupt US capital flows.

Conversely, DPRK is adamant about not opening up their economy or taking any IMF loans and still claims the territory of RoK, which is a huge cornerstone of US capital because of their chip manufacturing. So overall much less friendly to US capital.

Also what supafuzz mentioned about tensions between Vietnam and China because of the tenuous situation with borders and South China Sea means a potential regional ally against a US enemy state.

The DPRK wouldn't hate america if america allowed them to trade.

The situation with the dprk is entirely caused by the north/south divide issue. The US continues its war against the dprk because it wants a unified capitalist Korea and supports the south.

If the South didn't exist there's every possibility the dprk could have ended up with relations similar to vietnam.

If the Vietnam had ended up split into north and south their relations would likely be in exactly the same place.

Material conditions drive these things. Not vibes or morals or anything else.

realpolitik due to tensions with China, is my understanding

I remember the Anthony Bourdain episode where he asked a vietnamese fella why didnt he hated him, a US turist, and the vietnamese fella said Vietnam had been at war with basically every major colonizer/ empire country at some point in recent history, so they didnt single out the US

no juche necromancy to rely on

It's all a part of the USA's strategy to encircle China. Any country that wants to develop wants to normalize relations with the global hegemon. The DPRK has always seaked normalized relations with the USA, Trump visiting the DPRK is a recent example. However the USA keeps antagonizing the DPRK to keep South Korea and Japan in line and keep North East Asia unstable. Vietnam is part of their encirclement strategy in China's south.

The answer is simple: North Korea was an industrialized nation, Vietnam was not.

I think people have seriously underestimated North Korea.

Let me remind you that in the 1960s, North Korea and Japan were the two Asian economies that mattered! North Korean GDP per capita in the 1960s was higher than the GDP per capita of China and South Korea.

When Japan colonized Korea, they divided the country into the North and the South regions, with the North prioritized on industrialization while the South focused on agriculture. After Japan surrendered, the Chinese Civil War ensued. Mao was so adamant about capturing the Northeast province of China, where the Japanese heavy industries were situated, that he was willing to give up all the bases across China just to get to the Northeast. After the Chinese communists controlled the Northeast, much of their industrial and mechanized supplies came from the industrial base of North Korea.

North Korea in the 1960s to the 1980s was a confident, industrialized nation. South Korea did not overtake the North until after the mid-1970s.

The post-Korean War rebound after being bombed by the Americans was real. East German media in the 1960s called North Korea an “economic miracle of the Far East” and compared favorably with post-war Japan’s reconstruction.

By the late 1960s, North Korean rural villages were fully electrified.

By the late 1970s, North Korea achieved food self-sufficency, and realized free education and healthcare for all its people.

By the late 1980s, 70% of North Korean agriculture was fully mechanized.

In the 70s, North Korea produced 6 million ton of grain annually. By 1984, it broke a record of 10 million ton of grain production! In case this was not clear, they almost doubled their food production in just over a decade!

The North Koreans built the Nampo Dam (West Sea Barrage) in just 5 years, from 1981 to 1986, with a cost of $4 BILLION dollars. An impressive feat of engineering, and they were so confident and proud of themselves that they proclaimed the West Sea Barrage as the “8th Wonder of the World”.

The West Sea Barrage was built was to prevent the intrusion of seawater caused by the tidal floods of the Yellow Sea into the Taedong river. The salinity of the water supply has always caused issues for irrigation of the farmlands, and a dam that blocks the intrusion of seawater was critical to supply fresh water for their farming activities (the Nampo Dam itself is a reservoir that stores up to several billion cubic meters of fresh water).

Why is this important? And where did it all go wrong?

Well, we have to understand the problem with the Korean peninsular. The North in particularly is cursed with mountainous regions, with only less than 25% of its land flat enough and suitable for large scale agriculture.

Fun fact: Pyongyang (平壤) literally means “flat land”. Imagine a country with such mountainous terrain that they named that one place “the flat land”.

Food self-sufficiency is an inherent problem for North Korea. This is a problem for the South as well, but to a lesser extent, and they chose to industrialize and use their export earnings to import food. For the North Koreans, they chose to tackle this critical issue head on. As such, as the DPRK achieved their industrialization goals of the Chollima Movement (the “thousand-li horse movement”) by the 1960s, they began to turn to resolve their food insecurity problem.

With so little area for agriculture, the North Koreans began to clear the forests of the mountainous areas to implement terrace farming. This would lead to severe consequences later as the soil erosion from such steep angled terrains (really cursed place) resulted in the loss of fertile soil and serious degradation of agricultural output decades later.

At the same time, owing to their industrial base and with the support from the USSR and PRC (the DPRK maintained a fine balance in its relationship with both countries after the Sino-Soviet split), they began to implement mechanization of their agricultural economy. Farming output shot through the roof, reaching 10 million ton of grain production by 1984.

However, there are severe issues that accompanied such rapid development. Apart from the forest clearing of the steep terrain that caused ecological issues and loss of fertile soil, North Korea itself does not have energy self-sufficiency. Its farming activities were highly mechanized, which means that it needs to consume a huge quantity of fossil fuel to sustain the agricultural production. North Korean economy thus became over-dependent on fossil fuel, which it doesn’t produce itself. This was not a problem when the USSR was able to provide ample supply of cheap oil to the DPRK, however as the USSR became entangled in the war in Afghanistan and the Middle East in the 1980s, its dwindling economy could no longer support the North Korean economy as it used to.

Following the collapse of the USSR in the 1990s, fuel export to North Korea plummeted, and the North Koreans soon found themselves in a crisis of energy shortage. By that time, food production had already substantially fallen and the DPRK fell back to food insecurity once again, and never recovered from that. Food and energy crisis both at once is the bane of any industrialized society. Poverty ensued.

There have always been questions and debates about whether the DPRK had over-invested in their agricultural policy. The West Sea Barrage was a huge undertaking and financial investment, costing $4 billion dollars. You can clearly tell that their motives were obviously heavily influenced by the socialist mentality of “man will overcome nature”, but perhaps sometimes the conditions simply weren’t there, especially in such a cursed place as the Korean peninsular. South Korea avoided this problem by largely focusing on the manufacturing sector and turned to importing food instead. I don’t have a good answer but it is certainly an interesting part of history that should be examined deeper.

I wrote all this to show that Vietnam was not even remotely comparable to North Korea in the mid-20th century. It was not industrialized and it makes a lot of sense that they would need to open up their economy to the West to survive.

I see some users talking about Korea as an industrial nation and while that's true it's also only a small part.

The DPRK is still at war with US-Puppet Korea officially. There are military drills every year and the US is committed to its destruction. Vietnam as a territory is whole. They won back their country and have lived relatively unopposed by the US for many years. The DPRK was split in half and is still under active military threat from the puppet state. Almost everyone in the DPRK has family, grandmothers, cousins, aunts, on the other side.

To borrow an analogy from Malcom X, Vietnam has had their knife removed. They have begun to heal from the atrocities committed and are free to pursue relations accordingly. The DPRK has had their knife thrust deeper and deeper by the US every single year, of course they haven't healed. If the US pulled out of Korea, adopted relatively friendly relations, and gave it 40 years then the DPRK would be far more cooperative.

The material conditions are massively different between the two countries so of course they have different policies.

After spending a month in Vietnam, the locals are pissed at China's relentless aggression.

VS North Korea loving China.

It's probably that simple, but I'm far from an expert in this field.