remember'ing and lol'ing
Yup. It’s basically an internalization of the Bad People Good System technocratic mindset. As if you can just tweak the system so that all inputs produce favorable outputs no matter who is running it. The reality is that, while it’s beneficial to do some basic training in how to combat the ways our brain deceives us, being logical is a state of mind, not a state of being. There are people who are fully capable of critically assessing their situation and still act irrationally. If you need to cut a piece of wood and have a power saw, it turns out that human beings have many situations where they will still use a hand saw or maybe just bang their fists against the board until it snaps. And of course logic can’t tell what to value or how to regulate your own emotions. I think this is one reason why the debate bro types on Reddit will rage so hard against “checking your privilege” or rooting out internalized bigotry. You can agree that a position is correct pretty quickly, but doing the work to identify historical emotional reactions and short circuit their resulting bigotry is a whole emotional process of self exploration that can’t be done but just arguing well
A lot of the time "pure cold logic" also provides the inferior solution to emotion, especially when dealing with larger scale issues. It's also rarely if ever actually logical, the "logical" solution is just whatever is best for that specific guy, and the part that's pure and cold about it is that it's genuinely sadistic in its mistreatment of every other person involved. Reddit logic bros are unilaterally broken in a way that probably cannot be fixed.
American school debate classes and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
It isn't about trying to convince anyone, just about trying to poke holes.
Lmao did you know debate clubs are encouraged to speak as fast as possible because responses are measured by how many counterpoints they have? Gish-galloping is the strategy.
I will say the sunk-cost fallacy is useful to recognize. It can prevent you from wasting a lot of time or money if you can catch yourself.
It's good to be able to recognize fallacies to improve your critical thinking skills. But that's got nothing to do with online arguments, which are all pointless by definition
It was wild, it was sometime around 2008ish, when Richard Dawkins was like a mega celebrity, at least in the pseudo-intellectual spaces, especially reddit and shit. People got huge on fallacies and just regurgitating definitions at people and acting hella smug.
I just so happened to be taking a logic and reason class at the time (cause I was huge into philosophy not because of the pre-IDW stuff) and I was obnoxious about fallacies and it is still a constant source of cringe when thinking back on
This is putting up a strawslipperydichotomadhominembeggingthequestion
Go to anywhere v**sh Stan's nest and you'll see plenty of it still in 2022.
