Zenz mentioned in the sources

  • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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    “Very few have been able to tell their stories.

    We spoke to dozens.”

    🤪

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      Just Checking, for other genocides like Rwanda, Holocaust, Bosnia, there were far more accounts than this right, by that like hundreds of thousands right?

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        • Darkmatter2k [none/use name]
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          Are we just going to pretend that the US doesn't regularly pay people to fabricate stories for use as propaganda?

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                If another source outside the imperial core, just ONE fucking credible source from South America, the middle east, etc would corroborate the claims without citing the already compromised testimonies and "research" of the likes of Zenz et al, then I'd be more inclined to believe it. I don't deny there are prisons in Xinjiang. I don't deny they are specifically for Uighurs. What the key point of contention is, is the specious claim(s) of genocide, murder, rape, slavery, forced sterilization, and organ harvesting.

                This all seems terrible and dystopic to our sensitive western eyes, but we forget that we've done and are doing the same and worse. We, as activists, are focusing on the wrong bad guys, however.

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    Is there any sources besides Zenz on Xinjiang?

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      That chick that worked for like, the state department or whatever the fuck lol

      Edit: Ctrl F for “Abbas” on here. She worked for the state department and was a translator at fucking GUANTANAMO BAY. And coincidentally her sister is also in a Chinese concentration camp lol.

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        HRW is literally a propaganda front that was built to attack socialist countries via a method that would appeal to westerners. They are controlled by the US.

        Their original name was Helsinki Watch and their job was to attack the USSR.

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            It takes a 5 minute amount of time for you to double check this and see I'm correct. It's even in their own information on the hrw site, they do not hide it.

            https://www.hrw.org/about/about-us

            As I said in the previous message, they were founded to attack the USSR, they were later expanded to attack south american socialism and cuba, followed by moves into Asia and then to support imperialism in Africa. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think this organisation's job is not to support the US against whatever the state labels as its current target of imperialism.

      • Darkmatter2k [none/use name]
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        An old report by a NED funded organisation, thats been debunked again and again what you point?

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    definitely not getting incentivized to make up the worst possible shit like the intelligence services pay DPRK defectors in South Korea

  • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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    This whole situation is probably very fucked, and the most westerners can do to stop this is get the US out of Afghanistan and stop funding Islamic fundamentalists that bleed over the boarder into China which in order to contain, they are using detention and surveillance to stop terrorism, while very likely not in the death camp style of the Nazi's. If the US is no longer threatening China by allowing terrorists to go in, this will very likely stop which will in turn drastically improve the lives of all peoples of China.