Also, doesn't she work 20hr as a dog walker? Isn't part of that job literally picking up dogshit? I mean, assuming she does it w/ multiple dogs and not just like, 1 at a time, that can get pretty fucking gross. It also requires skills to keep the dogs from all going nuts.
There's plenty of reasons to be salty, but the fact she works as a dog walker isn't one of them.
Horrible spokesperson, but all work/labor is valuable and dignified. Appearing on Fox News, on the other hand, is not dignified. :marx-joker:
I feel like companion animals aren't exactly a "luxury." Obviously in world with more humane work laws, you won't necessarily need dog walkers (since we won't be working 8 hr days anymore so you'll be able to come home and walk your dog yourself). I'm also not gonna pretend that if you're working class you have the ability to pay for a dog walker.
However, unless we're never allowed to take trips away from home or spend more than 6hrs at whatever job you have, you might need a dog walker someday. As it is now, sure it's :bourgeoisie: as fuck. That doesn't mean it has to be. Working class people own dogs too. Having dog walkers that care about animals helps animal welfare - dogs not being cooped up all day (or worse, put out in the yard) - is a good thing.
Luxury is a hilariously vague term here. Is having a child a luxury then? Free childcare is DEFINITELY a luxury. Or is it not since eventually they will be future labor power? What about reading? Is that a luxury? Your argument is literally buying into capitalist ideology. The goal is not to beg for crumbs but change things and if we're going to change things we need to imagine a world where something like pet ownership isn't seen as a luxury just because it's unproductive but instead a human pursuit of companionship in a world we are alienated from our labor.
I mean pet ownership goes across class lines. While currently dog walkers/pet sitters are definitely a luxury for working class people, they shouldn't be.
Work is work. It's being forced to sell your labor that makes you working class and creates the material conditions for solidarity. Trying to divide workers between those that do "valuable" work and those who don't is what reactionaries do to try and divide us.
I mean another way to put it is that she spends 20hrs a week moderating reddit. Should someone who does that be representative of any working class movement no matter what demographics make it up? Is anyone here under the impression that moderating reddit is some kind of road to organizing anything? If that 20 hours was spent trying to unionize other dogwalkers or volunteering in some org, sure. 20 hours a week of posting memes like "my boss said I have to push their bently all the way to work and then lick the wheels clean. then wouldn't give me overtime. i'm so done with working" doesn't do anything.
I guess it does do something though. It gets enough attention from the media so that they interview the founder. A person that has no real specific critiques of the system other than it's not fair and no goals other than "I don't want to work anymore." I think people are getting caught up on the argument over what jobs are valid as hardwork rather than focusing on the part where IT'S A REDDIT MOD. THE SITE WE PURPOSEFULLY LEFT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL LIBS WHO DON'T TOLERATE US. I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS.
See that part is what I'm totally on board with. But the meme from OP and Reddit is about the argument as to which jobs are/aren't valid and I think that we need to have a broad vision of work to truly make this change. Is she the right representative? Hell no. Is her work valid? Maybe not the moderating, but the dog walking definitely is work.
Also, doesn't she work 20hr as a dog walker? Isn't part of that job literally picking up dogshit? I mean, assuming she does it w/ multiple dogs and not just like, 1 at a time, that can get pretty fucking gross. It also requires skills to keep the dogs from all going nuts.
There's plenty of reasons to be salty, but the fact she works as a dog walker isn't one of them. Horrible spokesperson, but all work/labor is valuable and dignified. Appearing on Fox News, on the other hand, is not dignified. :marx-joker:
I agree on principle, but work that exists only to ease the cost of a luxury and facilitate consumption isn't valuable.
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Another good point here.
I feel like companion animals aren't exactly a "luxury." Obviously in world with more humane work laws, you won't necessarily need dog walkers (since we won't be working 8 hr days anymore so you'll be able to come home and walk your dog yourself). I'm also not gonna pretend that if you're working class you have the ability to pay for a dog walker.
However, unless we're never allowed to take trips away from home or spend more than 6hrs at whatever job you have, you might need a dog walker someday. As it is now, sure it's :bourgeoisie: as fuck. That doesn't mean it has to be. Working class people own dogs too. Having dog walkers that care about animals helps animal welfare - dogs not being cooped up all day (or worse, put out in the yard) - is a good thing.
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Luxury is a hilariously vague term here. Is having a child a luxury then? Free childcare is DEFINITELY a luxury. Or is it not since eventually they will be future labor power? What about reading? Is that a luxury? Your argument is literally buying into capitalist ideology. The goal is not to beg for crumbs but change things and if we're going to change things we need to imagine a world where something like pet ownership isn't seen as a luxury just because it's unproductive but instead a human pursuit of companionship in a world we are alienated from our labor.
I mean pet ownership goes across class lines. While currently dog walkers/pet sitters are definitely a luxury for working class people, they shouldn't be.
Almost all work is not valuable. That's been established for a long goddamn time. Producerism is vulgar Marxism.
Work is work. It's being forced to sell your labor that makes you working class and creates the material conditions for solidarity. Trying to divide workers between those that do "valuable" work and those who don't is what reactionaries do to try and divide us.
I mean another way to put it is that she spends 20hrs a week moderating reddit. Should someone who does that be representative of any working class movement no matter what demographics make it up? Is anyone here under the impression that moderating reddit is some kind of road to organizing anything? If that 20 hours was spent trying to unionize other dogwalkers or volunteering in some org, sure. 20 hours a week of posting memes like "my boss said I have to push their bently all the way to work and then lick the wheels clean. then wouldn't give me overtime. i'm so done with working" doesn't do anything.
I guess it does do something though. It gets enough attention from the media so that they interview the founder. A person that has no real specific critiques of the system other than it's not fair and no goals other than "I don't want to work anymore." I think people are getting caught up on the argument over what jobs are valid as hardwork rather than focusing on the part where IT'S A REDDIT MOD. THE SITE WE PURPOSEFULLY LEFT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL LIBS WHO DON'T TOLERATE US. I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS.
See that part is what I'm totally on board with. But the meme from OP and Reddit is about the argument as to which jobs are/aren't valid and I think that we need to have a broad vision of work to truly make this change. Is she the right representative? Hell no. Is her work valid? Maybe not the moderating, but the dog walking definitely is work.