Anyone else feel like cracks are beginning to show with regards to the legitimacy of the American™ project as a whole? I feel like everything has gotten so psychotic and everything on the ground just disconnected from the narrative that journos like this are starting to see that it's all completely bullshit.
:inshallah: the cracks reveal that liberalism has been blocking The One True Light of Allah.
anyways, people outside the US can learn that US 'coke or pepsi' politics is a sham: the cool thing about the US is the shininess of it all, the privilege the US had of being on top.
so for migrants, despite its horrors on the ground (sadly, we're already used to beggars and the less fortunate), skyscrapers rise above the smog and shine thru it. things move, money moves along with it. money for our families back home. so anyone outside from Latam, for example, (in my case, mexico) that comes to the US just looks up, and goes "wow" OoO... for a while.
yeah, but after a while, being inside the US... it feels fucking pointless tbh (Don't Stop Believing Tho, this is just my shitty pov) to advocate for something better sometimes. Don't Stop Doing That Though.
I coincide with @Frogmanfromlake, I hear my family members talk a lot about moving to Canada instead of the US recently.
I get the feeling my dad regrets having immigrated here. I think that is sometimes foolish but seeing how his life is I kinda see why but at the same time it's really :thinking-about-it:
I feel like a lot of older LatAm immigrants become really disillusioned, like behind the bubbly personalities we tend to have there is a lot of resentment among some of the older coworkers I've had who immigrated from Mexico. The Central Americans tend to be less bitter (probably because their countries are even poorer, I think?) but a lot of older Mexican people seem pretty wistful. In the USA we as a group even after the civil rights movement have some of the worst outcomes across the board in all metrics.
The USA wasn't always this fucking awful though, a lot of older people have told me it was super nice until like Reagan, and my dad got here during Reagan and he said "it was a lot better and cheaper" and it seems like only in the last twenty years have things gone conmpletely down the toilet. Even in my life I've seen pretty measured decline, the last five years have been fucking insane in terms of how much overall quality of life has gone down, but I think that is because the symobiosis of tech/landlords is a malignant influence in my specific area.
I'm gonna say we are very prone to nostalgia (pulling out my 100% Hecho en México card) because we cherish our homes, our barrios, and although it's bruised and broken: we love México. So, for that, I'm sorry for being wistful at times lmao.
And neoliberalism hasn't fully arrived over there: you know this, but Latam (global south, in general) has been really resistant to it: the lack of infrastructure that capitalism needs to expand has been like it's unintentional defense, and because they don't wanna spend money lmao (fucking cheapskates) they don't 'develop' unless 'really' 'necessary', so it hasn't dissolved society down to bare individuals yet <- pure speculation.
Yeah, my parents are that way too. They both, they're divorced, go back to their respective small towns back in Mexico every year. It was a lot better and cheaper, because of less inflation (you know this already)... but like if you lived most of your life outside the US, and, once inside it, you are presented the abundance of things you've never even seen before; it was like a high, for them. That's what I think.
Living inside the US isn't fucking awful *, it's political culture has become increasingly inane and annoying... social life is very isolated.
I can't tell you how it's changed the last two years, sorry, that's when I entered the scene.
huge addition, myopic pov 'i survived'. I forgot about literally every oppressed minority out there.
Try being a muslim from Pakistan, having FBI come to your home after 9/11 to search your house, after the parklend shooting FBI comes over your house to talk to you (American shooter), being called a terrorist throughout your middle/high school experience, and now as a DACA recipient you are stuck in fucking limbo as time passes by. Real good fuck time
No fam that wasn't i was trying to say. I really hate it here as my life is frozen. I'm pissed, depressed, sad, lonely all at the same time and i just wornder what i did to deserve any of this. No ill will towards you.
Living inside the US isn’t fucking awful, it’s political culture has become increasingly inane and annoying… social life is very isolated.
The material wealth earned here is much more than anything my dad could’ve gotten back home in his rancho. But back there, there’s actual community. You go down the street and see people and you say hi to them and have a convo. There’s walkable town centers where sometimes bailes take place. (Granted small towns are insular asf but still)
Here in the US you go to work, put in your 8/10/12+ hours and you go back home. You know your neighbors less than even your coworkers. There’s no social binder to bring people together. There’s even less material wealth to go around the more the US slides into the cool zone.
I know it makes my parents feel bad when I talk bad about this country though, as if I don’t like this gift I’ve been given. I try to keep a lid on it, for the most part.
You know your neighbors less than even your coworkers. There’s no social binder to bring people together.
It sucks. When I started working here in the US, I met my first 3 IRL libertarians at work: straight-up 'copy paste most of the tropes' personalities. And where I rent, no-one outside, unbelievable.
I know it makes my parents feel bad when I talk bad about this country though
That happens a lot between my parents and me as well, I jokingly tell them every year that 'this year it finally tumbles down'... I know how much they suffered and what they sacrificed to get here.
Definitely see it here in Central America. More people talk about wanting to immigrate to Canada or the EU. Someone I knew dated an American and was horrified at the thought of having to move there lmao
From my limited experience, Europeans still seem to worship the US based on pop culture with dreams of moving to California.
I became a citizen recently (don’t judge!), and although Covid is a big part of it, the citizenship ceremony was utterly underwhelming and bizarre. We shuffled into a room, a supervisor from the USCIS came out, we stood and gave the oath and then shuffled out again. We were given a QR Code that goes to a webpage with some videos we could watch instead.
Now obviously, I don’t care either way, but for some folks who have been waiting decades for that moment…it was just remarkable how much the whole thing felt like a shrug from the government.
Yeah, it did seem odd as a question. I didn’t think it was worth enquiring “do you mean CPUSA, CPC, CPGB-ML - give me something to work with here” :lenin-confused:
Thankfully the immigration officer didn’t seem too interested in my DSA membership, I was worried I’d get a CHUD who would try and pick holes there (you have to name every club, society or association that you are a member of).
I’m not memeing - it’s actually one of the questions they ask you: https://www.knkx.org/law/2012-08-15/weird-questions-you-have-to-answer-to-become-a-u-s-citizen
An AP reporter this adamantly insisting that the word of the US government isn't valid evidence and demanding proof of their allegations feels like a big deal?
That's just confirmation bias. The cracks were always here, you just weren't paying attention. I'm sure there were journalists asking similar questions before the Iraq war, but no one remembers them because it didn't make any impact.
Anyone else feel like cracks are beginning to show with regards to the legitimacy of the American™ project as a whole? I feel like everything has gotten so psychotic and everything on the ground just disconnected from the narrative that journos like this are starting to see that it's all completely bullshit.
:inshallah: the cracks reveal that liberalism has been blocking The One True Light of Allah.
anyways, people outside the US can learn that US 'coke or pepsi' politics is a sham: the cool thing about the US is the shininess of it all, the privilege the US had of being on top.
so for migrants, despite its horrors on the ground (sadly, we're already used to beggars and the less fortunate), skyscrapers rise above the smog and shine thru it. things move, money moves along with it. money for our families back home. so anyone outside from Latam, for example, (in my case, mexico) that comes to the US just looks up, and goes "wow" OoO... for a while.
yeah, but after a while, being inside the US... it feels fucking pointless tbh (Don't Stop Believing Tho, this is just my shitty pov) to advocate for something better sometimes. Don't Stop Doing That Though.
I coincide with @Frogmanfromlake, I hear my family members talk a lot about moving to Canada instead of the US recently.
I get the feeling my dad regrets having immigrated here. I think that is sometimes foolish but seeing how his life is I kinda see why but at the same time it's really :thinking-about-it:
I feel like a lot of older LatAm immigrants become really disillusioned, like behind the bubbly personalities we tend to have there is a lot of resentment among some of the older coworkers I've had who immigrated from Mexico. The Central Americans tend to be less bitter (probably because their countries are even poorer, I think?) but a lot of older Mexican people seem pretty wistful. In the USA we as a group even after the civil rights movement have some of the worst outcomes across the board in all metrics.
The USA wasn't always this fucking awful though, a lot of older people have told me it was super nice until like Reagan, and my dad got here during Reagan and he said "it was a lot better and cheaper" and it seems like only in the last twenty years have things gone conmpletely down the toilet. Even in my life I've seen pretty measured decline, the last five years have been fucking insane in terms of how much overall quality of life has gone down, but I think that is because the symobiosis of tech/landlords is a malignant influence in my specific area.
I'm gonna say we are very prone to nostalgia (pulling out my 100% Hecho en México card) because we cherish our homes, our barrios, and although it's bruised and broken: we love México. So, for that, I'm sorry for being wistful at times lmao.
And neoliberalism hasn't fully arrived over there: you know this, but Latam (global south, in general) has been really resistant to it: the lack of infrastructure that capitalism needs to expand has been like it's unintentional defense, and because they don't wanna spend money lmao (fucking cheapskates) they don't 'develop' unless 'really' 'necessary', so it hasn't dissolved society down to bare individuals yet <- pure speculation.
Yeah, my parents are that way too. They both, they're divorced, go back to their respective small towns back in Mexico every year. It was a lot better and cheaper, because of less inflation (you know this already)... but like if you lived most of your life outside the US, and, once inside it, you are presented the abundance of things you've never even seen before; it was like a high, for them. That's what I think.
Living inside the US isn't fucking awful *, it's political culture has become increasingly inane and annoying... social life is very isolated. I can't tell you how it's changed the last two years, sorry, that's when I entered the scene.
Try being a muslim from Pakistan, having FBI come to your home after 9/11 to search your house, after the parklend shooting FBI comes over your house to talk to you (American shooter), being called a terrorist throughout your middle/high school experience, and now as a DACA recipient you are stuck in fucking limbo as time passes by. Real good fuck time
I'm sorry that happened to you... that was me revealing my blind spot. Please share your side, we all hate the US here.
No fam that wasn't i was trying to say. I really hate it here as my life is frozen. I'm pissed, depressed, sad, lonely all at the same time and i just wornder what i did to deserve any of this. No ill will towards you.
That's beyond fucking rough, dude. that's beyond fucking bullshit. you didn't do anything to deserve any of that.
I've been praying for the balkanization of the US for like 3-4 years now, and I'm gonna start praying harder now.
:meow-hug:
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The material wealth earned here is much more than anything my dad could’ve gotten back home in his rancho. But back there, there’s actual community. You go down the street and see people and you say hi to them and have a convo. There’s walkable town centers where sometimes bailes take place. (Granted small towns are insular asf but still)
Here in the US you go to work, put in your 8/10/12+ hours and you go back home. You know your neighbors less than even your coworkers. There’s no social binder to bring people together. There’s even less material wealth to go around the more the US slides into the cool zone.
I know it makes my parents feel bad when I talk bad about this country though, as if I don’t like this gift I’ve been given. I try to keep a lid on it, for the most part.
It sucks. When I started working here in the US, I met my first 3 IRL libertarians at work: straight-up 'copy paste most of the tropes' personalities. And where I rent, no-one outside, unbelievable.
That happens a lot between my parents and me as well, I jokingly tell them every year that 'this year it finally tumbles down'... I know how much they suffered and what they sacrificed to get here.
Definitely see it here in Central America. More people talk about wanting to immigrate to Canada or the EU. Someone I knew dated an American and was horrified at the thought of having to move there lmao
From my limited experience, Europeans still seem to worship the US based on pop culture with dreams of moving to California.
I became a citizen recently (don’t judge!), and although Covid is a big part of it, the citizenship ceremony was utterly underwhelming and bizarre. We shuffled into a room, a supervisor from the USCIS came out, we stood and gave the oath and then shuffled out again. We were given a QR Code that goes to a webpage with some videos we could watch instead.
Now obviously, I don’t care either way, but for some folks who have been waiting decades for that moment…it was just remarkable how much the whole thing felt like a shrug from the government.
Did they ask you if you're the Big Communism Builder?
“Do you support the constitution of the United States?”
Yes! Internally: If you take the constitution to be the geological content of North America, absolutely
“Have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?”
No! Internally: they probably wouldn’t want me anyway, I’m too much of a lib :deeper-sadness:
CONGRATULATIONS YOU ARE AMERICAN NOW
Of The Communist Party? Well, it is an international movement, I guess.
Yeah, it did seem odd as a question. I didn’t think it was worth enquiring “do you mean CPUSA, CPC, CPGB-ML - give me something to work with here” :lenin-confused:
:cringe: ugh that fucking question.
Thankfully the immigration officer didn’t seem too interested in my DSA membership, I was worried I’d get a CHUD who would try and pick holes there (you have to name every club, society or association that you are a member of).
wait, did they actually ask you about the communist party or are you just memeing?
I’m not memeing - it’s actually one of the questions they ask you: https://www.knkx.org/law/2012-08-15/weird-questions-you-have-to-answer-to-become-a-u-s-citizen
"nope its okay guys im the worlds most laughable centrist"
:lt-dbyf-dubois:
SIKE :mazovian-thought: :mazovian-thought: :mazovian-thought: :mazovian-thought: :mazovian-thought:
Are you new to the USA overall?
Nah, I’ve been here for quite a few years now
Immigrants good tho, I'd only judge you positively.
An AP reporter this adamantly insisting that the word of the US government isn't valid evidence and demanding proof of their allegations feels like a big deal?
That's just confirmation bias. The cracks were always here, you just weren't paying attention. I'm sure there were journalists asking similar questions before the Iraq war, but no one remembers them because it didn't make any impact.