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  • sappho [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    All the examples in the article are female and I'm not at all surprised. If you are an ugly woman, if you are noticeably overweight, it is open season for you. People don't treat you like a human being anymore because I guess it's so ingrained in us that without sexual value, women are worthless. I am attractive now (and boy does that suck too, for different reasons), but I've read a lot from older women who experience this transition to being invisible and disposable once they are no longer beautiful. And I notice myself how I am treated with vs. without makeup. Society shames us relentlessly for improving our appearance and especially for staving off natural aging, but it makes total sense why women invest in it when they know all too well that their only value is their looks.

      • 5HT [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        and maybe being short hurts your chances of a relationship, but it does not affect at all professionally, or how people see you, etc.

        • TheDeed [he/him, comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          It definitely does affect you professionally. But being a short man is way less of a sentence than being an “ugly” woman

          • 5HT [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            yeah, so we agree. being short is not comparable, even if "incels" try to treat them equal.

            • TheDeed [he/him, comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              Idk. I feel like I have a unique perspective. I have been both. I was an ugly “woman” before I transitioned, and I am now a 5ft tall man. I am not an incel, but I would say that the mockery and disrespect is comparable. But as you said, not entirely equal at all, definitely less as a man

              • 5HT [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                hmm maybe I'm biased from my experiences, and the short (professionally) successful people I know. Maybe they are comparable.

                Maybe we shouldn't be comparing at all.

        • PouncySilverkitten [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          I don’t think being short has had any great impact on my ability to have sex or a relationship, but then I’m gay, so that might have something to do with it. Yet it definitely hurts me somewhat professionally. People tend to assume I’m younger and for some people my height is a safe thing to make fun of. Still, most days it’s a minor irritation. There’s probably three or four guys at my workplace who are around my height. My boyfriend’s father is my height. Short men are normal.

          • TheDeed [he/him, comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            Yeah I literally had some greybeard client comment to me “oh I thought you were some whiz kid, you look like you’re in junior high” after getting jealous that I did something his old ass had no idea how to do, lol