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russian communist workers party line:
On the armed phase of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine
Statement of the Political Council of ЦК РКРП-КПСС (Russian Communist Workers' Party)
In our analysis and conclusions in these specific historical conditions, we rely on the analysis already made in the course of the situation, including at the conference with the Communists of Donbass, Ukraine, and Russia in November 2019 in Lugansk.
Once again, going back to the fact of the recognition of the Donbass republics, we note that it happened though late, much later than it should have, but better late than never. The Russian Communist Party not only supported this step from the very beginning of the proclamation of these republics, but also demanded that the bourgeois authorities of the Russian Federation take this step as assistance in resisting the people's republics of Donbass against fascist aggression by the Kiev Nazis.
Of course, the purpose of the military intervention by the Russian authorities and Putin is only declared as humanitarian - to save people from the reprisals of the Nazis. In fact, the origin of the conflict is the inter-imperialist contradictions between the U.S., the EU and Russia, in which Ukraine is embroiled. The aim of the strongest imperialism in the world, the U.S. is to weaken the Russian competitor and expand its influence in the European market space. For this purpose, they have been purposefully working to pit not only the authorities, but also the peoples of Russia and Ukraine against each other. For this purpose imperialism even encouraged the revival and use for punitive purposes of the ordinary fascism of Banderite model of 1941-45. The imperialists are fulfilling their tasks - the conflict between Russia and Ukraine has entered a hot phase and it suits them fine. It is not without reason that the heads of the USA and England have already declared that they are not going to participate in the war with their armed forces. Let the parts of the once united Soviet people fight among themselves.
By and large, i.e., from a class standpoint, the Russian authorities, just as the rulers of the United States and the EU, do not give a damn about the working people of Donbass, Russia, or Ukraine. We have no doubt that the true goals of the Russian state in this war are quite imperialist - to strengthen the position of imperialist Russia in world market competition. But since this struggle today to some extent helps the people of Donbass to fight back against Bandera fascism, the communists in this part of it do not deny, but allow and support as much as it is waged against fascism in Donbass and Ukraine. And they categorically oppose the actions of their government when, under the guise of fighting fascism, the expansion and strengthening of Russian imperialism and its allies will be addressed.
As long as Russia's armed intervention helps to save people in the Donbass from reprisals by the punishers, we will not oppose this goal. Among other things, we consider it acceptable if, due to circumstances, we have to use force against the fascist Kiev regime, insofar as it would be in the interests of the working people.
This, of course, does not exclude the possibility that Russia's military campaign of aid to Donbass, led by the anti-Soviet Putin, could escalate into a truly fully invasive war, when under the pretext of aid to Donbass, the Russian authorities would begin to solve their own issues, and the troops would simply start occupying other regions of Ukraine. We will consider this a war of aggression, an imperialist war, and we will not support either imperialist. It is not the gentlemen but the workers who will die on both sides in any case. To die for one's class brothers is honorable. But to die and kill for the interests of the masters is stupid, criminal, and unacceptable.
In any case, we firmly reaffirm our common position: to put an end to fratricidal conflicts, to relapses into fascism, to the threat of a local war escalating into a full-scale world war is only possible on the road to socialism. The common struggle of the workers against the bourgeoisie of all countries is the main strategic line of our parties.
The communists actually in the countries being affected by conflicts are always worth listening to as a window past all the imperialist propaganda. Sure, nobody is immune to propaganda, even communists in non-western countries, but their view has to be a lot clearer than the one we have through frosted glass of the massively dominant western media. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah so far this one has been the clearest. I keep forgetting about the Donbass area and why all of this started. They seem to pretty much come to the same conclusion most posters around here had come to.
How are they doing that? Unless I misread something didn’t they condemn in this statement the war as an act of Imperialism but acknowledge that Russian recognition of the Donbass republics will help the working class there from Nazi reprisals?
i'm attempting at being facetious, as there is a vocal contingent here that apparently believes that any voiced opinion that isn't a full throated condemnation of the incursion is carrying water for putin, and that those who voice such an opinion aren't being comrades.
i think w the many contradictions being presented in the situation a lot of people tend to get confused following their intuition, and i wouldnt say that intuition is necessarily wrong. the situation just requires more formal analysis than intuition.
the principal contradiction here is that the working class of ukraine IS constantly suffering casualties under total hostility from the agitation of tensions increased by domestic and foreign bourgeois.
the non principal contradiction of the imperialist nature of russia's invasion is also true.
the issue imo is that emphasis on the principal contradiction is the most important thing we can do. imperialist tensions on all sides are killing the citizens forced to hold the burden of these power grabs. i thought it was a really good analysis that comrades should see.
"As long as Russia’s armed intervention helps to save people in the Donbass from reprisals by the punishers, we will not oppose this goal. Among other things, we consider it acceptable if, due to circumstances, we have to use force against the fascist Kiev regime, insofar as it would be in the interests of the working people.
This, of course, does not exclude the possibility that Russia’s military campaign of aid to Donbass, led by the anti-Soviet Putin, could escalate into a truly fully invasive war, when under the pretext of aid to Donbass, the Russian authorities would begin to solve their own issues, and the troops would simply start occupying other regions of Ukraine. We will consider this a war of aggression, an imperialist war, and we will not support either imperialist. It is not the gentlemen but the workers who will die on both sides in any case. To die for one’s class brothers is honorable. But to die and kill for the interests of the masters is stupid, criminal, and unacceptable."
appreciate the thorough post. i was just making a smartass comment, directed at particular poster below. i think i agree with you and their party line -- i hope this can be finished swiftly and with minimal bloodshed and a workable peace, non-pushing peace can be administered.
We have no doubt that the true goals of the Russian state in this war are quite imperialist - to strengthen the position of imperialist Russia in world market competition. But since this struggle today to some extent helps the people of Donbass to fight back against Bandera fascism, the communists in this part of it do not deny, but allow and support as much as it is waged against fascism in Donbass and Ukraine. And they categorically oppose the actions of their government when, under the guise of fighting fascism, the expansion and strengthening of Russian imperialism and its allies will be addressed.
As long as Russia’s armed intervention helps to save people in the Donbass from reprisals by the punishers, we will not oppose this goal. Among other things, we consider it acceptable if, due to circumstances, we have to use force against the fascist Kiev regime, insofar as it would be in the interests of the working people.
The key part here, pretty much 100% on point, the most useful thing people who are keen on not taking sides should do is study the points raised here, the Minsk agreement, the 2014 coup etc.
The only thing people seem to know about is Azov and that is not even half of the problems there.
All debate presupposes that people are fully aware of these issues and it is clear this is not the case.
A part of me was hoping the Communist Party would take a stronger stance against the war and start organizing with the anti-war movement. Well... I can't say I would know what's going on on the ground, but it seems like this is a more hand off approach.
Thanks. Kind of seems like they are saying that we are at waiting point to see how Russia wants to escalate the conflict...to determine how good or terrible this was.
https://rkrp-rpk.ru/2022/02/24/%d0%bd%d0%b5%d1%82-%d1%84%d0%b0%d1%88%d0%b8%d0%b7%d0%bc%d1%83-%d0%bd%d0%b5%d1%82-%d0%b8%d0%bc%d0%bf%d0%b5%d1%80%d0%b8%d0%b0%d0%bb%d0%b8%d1%81%d1%82%d0%b8%d1%87%d0%b5%d1%81%d0%ba%d0%be%d0%b9-%d0%b2/ russian communist workers party line:
On the armed phase of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine Statement of the Political Council of ЦК РКРП-КПСС (Russian Communist Workers' Party)
In our analysis and conclusions in these specific historical conditions, we rely on the analysis already made in the course of the situation, including at the conference with the Communists of Donbass, Ukraine, and Russia in November 2019 in Lugansk.
Once again, going back to the fact of the recognition of the Donbass republics, we note that it happened though late, much later than it should have, but better late than never. The Russian Communist Party not only supported this step from the very beginning of the proclamation of these republics, but also demanded that the bourgeois authorities of the Russian Federation take this step as assistance in resisting the people's republics of Donbass against fascist aggression by the Kiev Nazis.
Of course, the purpose of the military intervention by the Russian authorities and Putin is only declared as humanitarian - to save people from the reprisals of the Nazis. In fact, the origin of the conflict is the inter-imperialist contradictions between the U.S., the EU and Russia, in which Ukraine is embroiled. The aim of the strongest imperialism in the world, the U.S. is to weaken the Russian competitor and expand its influence in the European market space. For this purpose, they have been purposefully working to pit not only the authorities, but also the peoples of Russia and Ukraine against each other. For this purpose imperialism even encouraged the revival and use for punitive purposes of the ordinary fascism of Banderite model of 1941-45. The imperialists are fulfilling their tasks - the conflict between Russia and Ukraine has entered a hot phase and it suits them fine. It is not without reason that the heads of the USA and England have already declared that they are not going to participate in the war with their armed forces. Let the parts of the once united Soviet people fight among themselves.
By and large, i.e., from a class standpoint, the Russian authorities, just as the rulers of the United States and the EU, do not give a damn about the working people of Donbass, Russia, or Ukraine. We have no doubt that the true goals of the Russian state in this war are quite imperialist - to strengthen the position of imperialist Russia in world market competition. But since this struggle today to some extent helps the people of Donbass to fight back against Bandera fascism, the communists in this part of it do not deny, but allow and support as much as it is waged against fascism in Donbass and Ukraine. And they categorically oppose the actions of their government when, under the guise of fighting fascism, the expansion and strengthening of Russian imperialism and its allies will be addressed.
As long as Russia's armed intervention helps to save people in the Donbass from reprisals by the punishers, we will not oppose this goal. Among other things, we consider it acceptable if, due to circumstances, we have to use force against the fascist Kiev regime, insofar as it would be in the interests of the working people.
This, of course, does not exclude the possibility that Russia's military campaign of aid to Donbass, led by the anti-Soviet Putin, could escalate into a truly fully invasive war, when under the pretext of aid to Donbass, the Russian authorities would begin to solve their own issues, and the troops would simply start occupying other regions of Ukraine. We will consider this a war of aggression, an imperialist war, and we will not support either imperialist. It is not the gentlemen but the workers who will die on both sides in any case. To die for one's class brothers is honorable. But to die and kill for the interests of the masters is stupid, criminal, and unacceptable.
In any case, we firmly reaffirm our common position: to put an end to fratricidal conflicts, to relapses into fascism, to the threat of a local war escalating into a full-scale world war is only possible on the road to socialism. The common struggle of the workers against the bourgeoisie of all countries is the main strategic line of our parties.
Proletarians of all countries - unite!
February 24, 2022.
The communists actually in the countries being affected by conflicts are always worth listening to as a window past all the imperialist propaganda. Sure, nobody is immune to propaganda, even communists in non-western countries, but their view has to be a lot clearer than the one we have through frosted glass of the massively dominant western media. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah so far this one has been the clearest. I keep forgetting about the Donbass area and why all of this started. They seem to pretty much come to the same conclusion most posters around here had come to.
i can't believe these ""comrades"" are "carrying water" for putin smdh.
How are they doing that? Unless I misread something didn’t they condemn in this statement the war as an act of Imperialism but acknowledge that Russian recognition of the Donbass republics will help the working class there from Nazi reprisals?
i'm attempting at being facetious, as there is a vocal contingent here that apparently believes that any voiced opinion that isn't a full throated condemnation of the incursion is carrying water for putin, and that those who voice such an opinion aren't being comrades.
i think w the many contradictions being presented in the situation a lot of people tend to get confused following their intuition, and i wouldnt say that intuition is necessarily wrong. the situation just requires more formal analysis than intuition.
the principal contradiction here is that the working class of ukraine IS constantly suffering casualties under total hostility from the agitation of tensions increased by domestic and foreign bourgeois.
the non principal contradiction of the imperialist nature of russia's invasion is also true.
the issue imo is that emphasis on the principal contradiction is the most important thing we can do. imperialist tensions on all sides are killing the citizens forced to hold the burden of these power grabs. i thought it was a really good analysis that comrades should see.
"As long as Russia’s armed intervention helps to save people in the Donbass from reprisals by the punishers, we will not oppose this goal. Among other things, we consider it acceptable if, due to circumstances, we have to use force against the fascist Kiev regime, insofar as it would be in the interests of the working people.
This, of course, does not exclude the possibility that Russia’s military campaign of aid to Donbass, led by the anti-Soviet Putin, could escalate into a truly fully invasive war, when under the pretext of aid to Donbass, the Russian authorities would begin to solve their own issues, and the troops would simply start occupying other regions of Ukraine. We will consider this a war of aggression, an imperialist war, and we will not support either imperialist. It is not the gentlemen but the workers who will die on both sides in any case. To die for one’s class brothers is honorable. But to die and kill for the interests of the masters is stupid, criminal, and unacceptable."
appreciate the thorough post. i was just making a smartass comment, directed at particular poster below. i think i agree with you and their party line -- i hope this can be finished swiftly and with minimal bloodshed and a workable peace, non-pushing peace can be administered.
yea i figured haha but thought it brought up a interesting conversation to be had
The key part here, pretty much 100% on point, the most useful thing people who are keen on not taking sides should do is study the points raised here, the Minsk agreement, the 2014 coup etc.
The only thing people seem to know about is Azov and that is not even half of the problems there. All debate presupposes that people are fully aware of these issues and it is clear this is not the case.
A part of me was hoping the Communist Party would take a stronger stance against the war and start organizing with the anti-war movement. Well... I can't say I would know what's going on on the ground, but it seems like this is a more hand off approach.
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Thanks. Kind of seems like they are saying that we are at waiting point to see how Russia wants to escalate the conflict...to determine how good or terrible this was.