There will be an event in my town soonish about the background of the Ukraine conflict, and the speaker is a total lib. What questions should I ask, what incontrovertible facts can I use to combat liberalism?

I have Victoria Nuland and John McCain speaking and handing out cookies on the Maidan and talking about their material support for the coup. The revelations were used by western press but they came from Wikileaks and I can totally see that being dismissed out of hand. They'll probably also obfuscate the Nazi elements in a similar manner to the way the western press is doing constantly.

I have the UN/OSCE reports on civilian casualties in Donbas, I have the Congressional arguments about whether or not they want to support the Nazis directly... What else?

  • D61 [any]
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    3 years ago

    Was Ukraine expecting the USA to send troops directly into Russia to support them or did the Ukrainian government accept that their country would be the battlefield, with all that entails (US: cluster munitions, depleted uranium munitions, rolling artillery barrages, MLRS rockets going off target and hitting civilians/infrastructure, smart bombs going off target, US troops doing what US troops are prone to do to local civilian populations) by openly talking about being NATO friendly when Russia was very open about that position being viewed as a hostile action against Russia?

    (If you're allowed a follow up)

    Why should the civilian/military leaders of Ukraine not face consequences for encouraging this result?

    • fuckiforgotmypasswor [comrade/them,any]
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      3 years ago

      Why should the civilian/military leaders of Ukraine not face consequences for encouraging this result?

      Or the US leaders, for that matter, for playing footsie with Ukraine over NATO membership, openly provoking Russia, and knowing full well they would not come to the aid of Ukraine in the event of a full scale war.

      • D61 [any]
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        3 years ago

        Depends on the speaker, the crowd and if OP has a way to counter the "you are now a conspiracy nut and I get to avoid the question by laughing at you" dodge.

    • determinism2 [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Wasn't it written into their constitution by the coup government that they would pursue NATO membership?

      • D61 [any]
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        3 years ago

        I'm not cool enough to know, but if so, its just like, "Hey guys, why you trying to have sex with that alligator? You know that's not a good idea right? Oh? You're going to do it anyways? Oh... alright then."