Good or bad?

  • MikeHockempalz [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Drugs are good, overall. They're fun, they feel good, and they can help you see the world in a new way. But at the same time you have to have a measure of respect for how powerfully they can fuck you up, so moderation is important

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Full legalization and harm reduction for people that need it is my opinion. They're never going to go away. People have been getting fucked up since we existed, a healthier approach is to rethink how people interact with substances and how to do so in a healthy measure.

      • Malagueta [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        This. Fucking this.

        Anything else is idealism propping up a liberal desire to "punish bad people" (aka vulnerable populations).

        Same fucking brainworms as all the SWERF groups who work with police to kidnap women and enslave them in the prison system.

  • leftofthat [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Drugs can fuck up brain development for young people. That's bad. But overall drugs are good.

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Drugs good, addiction (both chemical and psychosomatic) bad.

  • riley
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    1 year ago

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    • mark213686123 [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      be warned people who are high on weed are very boring to talk to. I guess it's an inherant effect of finding things more interesting

    • Malagueta [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Eh maybe 20 or something if it's a soft barrier.

      I don't really buy most arguments about age reqs on drugs since it's used to justify funding pigs and murdering POC in their homes.

      That research is worth doing, but I don't see how it won't lean towards being biased in the current system and set of incentives. The DEA literally pushes to withdraw federal funding from places that publish anything that they can't use politically.

      • mark213686123 [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        well the most effective way of policing age would be to legalise drugs but ban selling them to people underage.

        • Malagueta [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          Then you would need to still police it. Light barrier would be requiring anywhere that sold drugs to ID and then occasionally check the stores were following the law.

          We might agree on that idk. If you raise the age above 18 or whatever the voting age is in your state / country, people will just go around the law.

          • mark213686123 [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            yeah basically ID it's teenagers they're going to be able to get drugs and it's not a huge deal just like they'll get alcohol

            • Malagueta [she/her]
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              3 years ago

              Dope. Yeah, it's a way to make it enough of a pain in the ass kids can't go HAM as easy.

              :feral-hog:

  • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Drugs are bad. In a healthy society well adjusted people can has a little a drugs as a treat. As we don't have one of those you get unfortunate outcomes.

    As a general principle, I have never seen people Have healthy relationships with opiates or meth but I assume it is possible.

    Also, we should as a society switch mushrooms for alcohol. Alcohol is one of the worst drugs

    Also, everything should be legal as we all know

    • dat_math [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Also, we should as a society switch mushrooms for alcohol. Alcohol is one of the worst drugs

      maybe not in a 1:1 fashion, but in terms of social acceptance and availability, yes!

      • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I feel like getting small ammouts of mushroom drunk is the apex technique. I feel like it is the experience i want from alcohol without the side effects. I think it could carch on. Like a really weak mushroom tea.

        • dat_math [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          Low doses of psychedelics can be really useful and fun (sprinkling some DMT between layers of flower in a bowl, for example). So can high doses. IMO if people are restricting themselves to only using low doses of psilocin and psilocybin, they're missing some powerful opportunities for spiritual growth. I fear that as capitalism coopts "microdosing" as a performance enhancer (which is not necessarily wrong in the sense that serotonergic stimulation can make a person faster and more confident, but is wrong in the sense that such an attitude towards these substances completely misses what their fungal factories coevolved to do to us), it will be come increasingly taboo to take spiritually overwhelming doses. This is important to me because I'd still be a liberal chode who constantly lies to themselves (and by extension all of their loved ones) in a way that makes consciously (to the extent that we even have "wills") seeking happiness and love effectively impossible. Furthermore, I don't believe I'm exaggerating when I say that overcoming the antidialectical nature of my own cognition would have required a near-death or otherwise spiritually powerful experience without psychedelic drugs.

          Okay ramble over.

          • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Oh for sure. Sometimes you just wanna get drunk though and a couple caps hits the spot way better than alcohol for that.

            I too have that cushmen acid marxism thing. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive but I hadn't thought about it honestly. I was talking to a a real conservative maoist about this in relation to china's drug policy and western people having no real ability to imagine a better world by defualt.

  • barrbaric [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Drugs bad, but we should accept that people will use them, and legalize them to about the same level as alcohol. Get rid of unhinged DARE-style messaging in favor of actually useful information on what kind of effects (positive and negative) different drugs can have. Obviously offer free medical care if people do get addicted etc.

  • Eris235 [undecided]
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    3 years ago

    They make me feel bad, therefore they're bad.

    Not like my good, ol' fashioned after work beer; that's good.

    • Malagueta [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      have you ever tried ketamine tho Eris its pretty good

      • Eris235 [undecided]
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        3 years ago

        Nah.

        Memes aside, I haven't tried anything harder than weed (which I didn't care for). But also I'm on the schizophrenia spectrum, and don't really have any desire to alter my state, more than having one drink occasionally.

        Edit: Not that I care if other people drugs. If its good for them, then drugs good

        • Malagueta [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          Ah, yeah. I totally get being careful with that then, mental health has to take priority. I also have to be mindful about the headspace I'm in when I decide whether to play psychonaut. I've wound up as Laika a couple too many times when I got greedy.

          :egoist-heart: :Laika:

          Edit: added a link to the term because it's drug nerd stuff.

          Edit 2: Hexbear has a Laika emote. Dope.

  • Kanna [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Drugs are whatever your relationship to them is

  • AFineWayToDie [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Drugs are great, but it took a bit of experimentation for me to find out what worked for me. I started small, stayed with people I trusted, and prepared myself for the possibility that I'd need to check out and find a quiet, safe space in the event that things went bad.